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#1 Nov 01 2008 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
so far has snagged over 12,000 potential voters, forcing them to use provisional ballots then prove they are who they say they are.

90 percent of which are minorities, mostly democrats. they include the wife of a congressman, a player on the miami heat basketball team, and other high profile.....minorities.....

the lists kicks out people whose voter registraition does not match their drivers licence. for instance people who tend to move around a bit. like renters, who are mostly minorities. then puts the burden of proof on the people to prove they are who they say they are by going down to the voters registraition office with their proof before they can vote, or after they vote a provisional ballot if they want it to count.

passed by a republican legislature in a partisan vote that was split down party lines.

guess the no paper trail electronic machines supplied by a republican party lobbiest company is out, so new steps had to be taken to tilt the scales.

SOMEONE, or several people should go to jail over this. hopefully, the sheer masses of new voters, especially minority voters, will over come this autrocity to the foundation of our country, democracy itself.

this is sickening. absolutly sickening.
#2 Nov 01 2008 at 6:37 AM Rating: Default
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You Democrats are all about voter fraud aren't you? It's simplistic, to prove who they are. Honestly, I see this as a non-issue.
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#3 Nov 01 2008 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
Under Georgia law, since I changed apartment numbers and my registered apartment does not match my drivers license, I would have had to use a provisional ballot.

So I used my passport instead. It does not list an address.

Not everyone has that luxury . . .
#4 Nov 01 2008 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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Last time I moved I got a card from the MVA with my new address on it to keep with my state ID card. I change my voter registration at the same time.

Then it was simple process, of just waiting until it was time to renew my ID, without having to show all the paperwork needed again. Since I vote every election at same polling place, I no longer need to show my ID card to vote. They know me well enough that only reason I show my voter registration card is to speed up the process and not have to spell my name for them. The GOP knows my state is so blue that they haven't try any dirty tricks to keep people from voting so far, though I expect that they still may try to discourage blacks from voting in Baltimore City and Prince Georges Co over the next 3 days.
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#5 Nov 01 2008 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kastigir wrote:
You Democrats are all about voter fraud aren't you? It's simplistic, to prove who they are. Honestly, I see this as a non-issue.


No, the Republicans are upset about voter fraud. The Democrats are upset over election fraud.
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#6 Nov 01 2008 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
No, the Republicans are upset about voter fraud.


And don't know the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud.
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#7 Nov 01 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
No, the Republicans are upset about voter fraud.


And don't know the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud.


Hey, what would YOU do if Mickey Mouse actually showed up to vote?
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#8 Nov 01 2008 at 3:49 PM Rating: Default
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so far has snagged over 12,000 potential voters, forcing them to use provisional ballots then prove they are who they say they are.

90 percent of which are minorities, mostly democrats. they include the wife of a congressman, a player on the miami heat basketball team, and other high profile.....minorities.....

the lists kicks out people whose voter registraition does not match their drivers licence. for instance people who tend to move around a bit. like renters, who are mostly minorities. then puts the burden of proof on the people to prove they are who they say they are by going down to the voters registraition office with their proof before they can vote, or after they vote a provisional ballot if they want it to count.

passed by a republican legislature in a partisan vote that was split down party lines.

guess the no paper trail electronic machines supplied by a republican party lobbiest company is out, so new steps had to be taken to tilt the scales.

SOMEONE, or several people should go to jail over this. hopefully, the sheer masses of new voters, especially minority voters, will over come this autrocity to the foundation of our country, democracy itself.

this is sickening. absolutly sickening.


Oh noes, people have to actually have proof of who they are before their vote counts? OMG What a novel concept... Yea, let's just let anyone register and vote without any proof of identity. The only people that are allowed to vote without having a "current address" on their license is the Military. That is because we are allowed to keep our residence in any state we've lived. (And that is because we're subject to move at any time from government orders)

Also, it isn't that hard when you move to update your license. It's not like people move that often where it becomes such a nuisance. If you want to vote, make sure your two forms of ID match. It's not rocket science, and it doesn't "alienate" or "disenfranchise" anyone. It's freaking common sense.

Edited, Nov 1st 2008 7:50pm by AmorTonight
#9 Nov 01 2008 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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this is sickening. absolutly sickening.


Hardly. It'd be sickening if they were barred from voting completely, but they aren't. They can either fix it then vote, or vote then fix it. The horror!

All a person has to do is fix the problem.

Or are you saying that the majority of them are going to be too lazy and just not vote instead of bringing their driver's license to the correct facility (Secretary of State, or where ever they go in their city) and fixing the problem?
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#10 Nov 01 2008 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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AmorTonight wrote:

Oh noes, people have to actually have proof of who they are before their vote counts? OMG What a novel concept... Yea, let's just let anyone register and vote without any proof of identity. The only people that are allowed to vote without having a "current address" on their license is the Military. That is because we are allowed to keep our residence in any state we've lived. (And that is because we're subject to move at any time from government orders)

Also, it isn't that hard when you move to update your license. It's not like people move that often where it becomes such a nuisance. If you want to vote, make sure your two forms of ID match. It's not rocket science, and it doesn't "alienate" or "disenfranchise" anyone. It's freaking common sense.

Edited, Nov 1st 2008 7:50pm by AmorTonight


Hey genius, you don't need identification to vote. You do to register, but not to vote. If you want proof of identification, then it should be for everyone, not just who the Republicans don't want to vote.
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Hey genius, you don't need identification to vote. You do to register, but not to vote. If you want proof of identification, then it should be for everyone, not just who the Republicans don't want to vote.


That's a pretty broad, and inaccurate, statement.

Last time I voted, just 2 years ago, I had to show my driver's license. And I'm a white male.

They recommend bringing either your license or your registration card with you when you vote.
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#12 Nov 01 2008 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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You do need proof of identity to vote. I don't see a problem with having to prove you are who you say you are. Would any of you like it if some random person just went into your bank, said they were you, and drained your bank account because proof wasn't required?
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#13 Nov 01 2008 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's state-specific; I'm in California. I'm 33 now and have voted in nearly every election since I turned of age and have never had to show ID. I thought that I would need it on my first time voting and the poll worker just chuckled and said that you don't need to show identification to vote.
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You do need proof of identity to vote. I don't see a problem with having to prove you are who you say you are. Would any of you like it if some random person just went into your bank, said they were you, and drained your bank account because proof wasn't required?


You *may* need identification to vote. I needed it in 2006, but didn't in 2004 (I voted by absentee ballot in 2004 though).

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I'll find out Tuesday if they ask me this year.

One thing I thought was weird, is I don't know how they tell the difference between me and my father. We both live in the same county, and have the same first and last name, and our middle names are different but they have the same initial. So I'm not a Jr., but First, Middle Initial, and Last Name, are the same...

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#15 Nov 01 2008 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't recall whether I needed it or not. If I did I felt it was a non-issue. I personally DO NOT understand what the big deal is.
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First time voters and those who don't make a point of voting regularly will need to bring their ID. Since I voted in every election since my last move, I just need to show up on Tuesday.

To make sure people here gets to the polls, my neighborhood association has offer to drive those that call them before Tuesday.
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this is AMERICA. the foundation of our justice system is INNOCENT untill PROVEN GUILTY. or it was.

the burden of proof as to who should or should not be elegible is on the state. this bill just uses a blanket to make them all inelligable untill THEY PROVE otherwise.


Do you ever just STFU?

Ignoring the fact that this idea is completely stupid; The State has already OFFERED PROOF that the person is ineligible by having their personal identification not match the identification on their registration.

What more proof do you want the State to offer? If it doesn't match, you have to tell them. The State does not know where you live unless you tell them. The State cannot decided which one is correct unless you confirm it. Despite what the conspiracy theorists tell you, the State is not omnipotent.

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#19 Nov 02 2008 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
It's really not that hard to get one of those stickers from the DMV to put on your license when you move to a new house/apartment.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2008 10:45am by DaimenKain
#20 Nov 02 2008 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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I voted yesterday, and was never asked for ID. I showed up, spelled my name, gave them my address, and they gave me a ballot after finding me on the list. I couldnt find my voters card, but I had every other form of ID on me just in case it was needed. I do think they should at least ask for some kind of identification to prove you are who you say you are.
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I do think they should at least ask for some kind of identification to prove you are who you say you are.


They should, and I'm suprised they don't check everyone. It'd be very easy for me just to go to the next county over and vote in the name of someone I know.

But apparently proving who you are is evil. Smiley: oyvey
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#22 Nov 02 2008 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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I imagine the reason they try to avoid keeping the identification restrictions too rigid is to get as much voter turnout as possible.

The more you aim for 0% voter fraud, the more legal voters will either be rejected or not want to bother going through the hassle.

Of course on the other side, no matter how loose the voting restrictions are, there's going to be some upper limit on how many people actually get off their asses to vote.

So you just have to find the most reasonable intersection of the two curves.

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I imagine the reason they try to avoid keeping the identification restrictions too rigid is to get as much voter turnout as possible.

The more you aim for 0% voter fraud, the more legal voters will either be rejected or not want to bother going through the hassle.

Of course on the other side, no matter how loose the voting restrictions are, there's going to be some upper limit on how many people actually get off their asses to vote.

So you just have to find the most reasonable intersection of the two curves.



Ya, make it too difficult and it *might* deter people people from voting. But I see no problem in bringing the same identification you used to register to vote with you when you actually vote.

Just checking Michigan law, apparently we are supposed to bring a state issued Photo ID to the polls. And if we don't have one we are supposed to sign an affidavit saying we are who we claim to be.

I just think it's stupid that I was required to prove my identity (Photo ID or signed affidavit endorsed by the school) when I took my SAT and ACT, yet in many places I could vote without proof of identity. To me, voting is a much more serious thing than a simple test that many schools don't even care about these days.

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#24 Nov 04 2008 at 1:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Voted today in Ohio. Had to show my photo ID, and verify the address that the Board of Elections has on file. *Really* hard to prove my identity there.
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Lol. When you move, whether you rent or not, you file a change of address at the post office. That way your mail arrives at your new location. The same form *also* changes your registration as well.

The issue isn't whether someone is a minority. I know that's a nice club to use to make this appear to be something sinister, but the same registration rules apply to everyone regardless of your skin color or your economic status. It costs zero dollars to register to vote. It costs zero dollars to change your registered address.

This is a total non-issue that's inflated into one to attempt to make the same tired appeal to emotion every single election. Sigh...
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Just in case you're hanging around waiting for the results and want to read something faintly interesting.....


Greg Palast on how McCain can easily win.
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It's November 5 and the nation is in shock. Media blame it on the "Bradley effect": Americans supposedly turned into Klansmen inside the voting booth, and Barack Obama turned up with 6 million votes less than calculated from the exit polls. Florida came in for McCain and so did Indiana. Colorado, despite the Democrats' Rocky Mountain high after the Denver convention, stayed surprisingly Red. New Mexico, a state where Anglos are a minority, went McCain by 300 votes, as did Virginia.


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