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#52 Nov 03 2008 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Really, I take the facts of the matter as a pretty good suggestion that Obama didn't know. If he did know, it stands to reason that a lawyer and senator could attempted to make things right well ahead of time. Like two years ago when he last spoke to her.

Well, see, your shortcoming is obviously not speculating on the worst case scenario then assuming it as fact.

Which, I have to admit, is mostly necessary when it comes to politicians. I really thought Spitzer would be around long enough to make substantial change.
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#53 Nov 03 2008 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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Obama's a GENIUS. This'll clinch the Hispanic vote for sure.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 6:55pm by Atomicflea
#54 Nov 03 2008 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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"Really, I take the facts of the matter as a pretty good suggestion that Obama didn't know. If he did know, it stands to reason that a lawyer and senator could attempted to make things right well ahead of time. Like two years ago when he last spoke to her." --Jophiel

And now that he knows she's here illegally, he should make a serious effort to send her back to Kenya, right? After all, as the presumed-to-soon-be President, he is obligated to uphold the laws of the United States. I fully expect you to be onboard with me in demanding he send her back ASAP.

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#55 Nov 03 2008 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
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And now that he knows she's here illegally, he should make a serious effort to send her back to Kenya, right?
Either that, or to find her a lawyer to help with the process of making her no longer illegal.

More likely the latter, as the former provide more fodder for the "ZOMG OBAMA IS HEARTLESS" crowd.
#56 Nov 04 2008 at 12:53 AM Rating: Good
Isnt she the half-sister of the father who walked out on him and his mother?

Personally as the son of a mom who basically did the same thing at the same age I couldnt tell you squat about what that part of my family is doing. I do still talk to my grandparents on occasion like 4 years ago as the last time.

I would also agree if I were on the eve (2-5days before) of becoming the next president I would work to try and allow her to stay in the country as best I could.

Only an asshat diehard Republican would be so evil as to try and boot her out at this juncture to save themselves a vote or to even bring that up as an option on anyone who is a family member however distant who you were in a position to aid and who had not at some previous time ****** you over.
#57 Nov 04 2008 at 3:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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As a serious aside, for someone preaching adherence to the law, you should try to sit through immigration court one day. While training as an Interpreter, I witnesses several victims of kidnapping, torture and rape by militias testify in painstaking detail of the horrors they had and would endure again in their countries of origin only to have their refugee status denied on a technicality. It was heartbreaking.

One of these girls had been kept in a dark room, taken out only so she could be gang raped and tortured, and underwent three years of it, only to be finally be so broken down and used up that they allowed her to be trained as a beautician so she could cut the soldier's hair in between rapes-the lady that trained her facilitated her countries' version of an underground railroad that led to her being smuggled out of the country to serve as a nanny in D.C. After a year service, the family fired her for asking for a raise. She was picked up off the street. She had a mother and sister in her country which she had wanted to try to locate, as she lost them the day the militia shot her father (a noted resistance leader) in front of her and kidnapped the 3 women.

On the stand, she blamed it on herself. She said she was too young and naive to see that putting herself out there to protest her government would put her in this situation, but she had faith that the United States would help her stay, as she would surely be killed should she go.

This was one of many, and the main reason I became a medical interpreter instead of a legal one. There but for the grace of God...
#58 Nov 04 2008 at 5:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
And now that he knows she's here illegally, he should make a serious effort to send her back to Kenya, right?
Exactly. In the same way that Bush should have made sure his daughters were charged with identity theft after they used someone else's license to try to by drinks. Especially since the law is additionally harsh on those engaged in identity theft and misrepresentation while engaged in committing a crime (which underage drinking is). I think that it shows a real disregard for our constitution that Bush didn't make sure his daughters were busted with felonies and locked up. I mean, at least Auntie Z's case isn't criminal.

Of course not, you dip. The appropriate government department should determine what effort they want to make to deport her. That's their job.
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#59REDACTED, Posted: Nov 04 2008 at 6:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just found out some interesting news about obama.. he wants to raise the capital gains tax. what does he think that will do? companys will have to pay more that means they will have to cut there jobs to pay for more taxes and further us into this economy **** hole were in now (for some, my brother made $3,000 so far off $100).
#60 Nov 04 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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As I understand it he wants to roll back the 2003 change to the CGT.

I'm not against that, personally.
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#61 Nov 04 2008 at 6:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just found out some interesting news about obama..
I can't wait til you find the news that explains what a dumbshit you are.
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#62 Nov 04 2008 at 6:22 AM Rating: Default
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As I understand it he wants to roll back the 2003 change to the CGT.

I'm not against that, personally.


He wants to make it %28 right now it's %15 Clinton decreased it after raising in his terms and as did bush which made more then it did when it was raised. the only thing raising it will do is make things worse.
#63 Nov 04 2008 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you call "generating more revenue by taxing personal profits from investments" making things worse, maybe. (Bear in mind that Warren Buffet believes it's an outrage that he pays less taxes on his investment income than his secretary pays on her earned income.)

I don't think that's a worse-case scenario. I think it's a better-case scenario.

On this we disagree.

Edit: it was Buffet, not Pickens.

Edited, Nov 4th 2008 9:35am by Samira
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#64 Nov 04 2008 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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the only thing raising it will do is make things worse.


Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had a degree in macroeconomics.
#65 Nov 04 2008 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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But Jophiel, Auntie Z's case has already been heard and her request has been denied-- all legal-like. Your candidate hasn't even stepped foot in the Oval Office yet and you have in essence lowered your (maybe) future president's ethics to the last Democratic president's standards.

Nice job punching yourself in the balls!

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#66 Nov 04 2008 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Quoting from earlier in the thread:

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A statement given to the AP by Obama's campaign said, "Senator Obama has no knowledge of her status but obviously believes that any and all appropriate laws be followed."


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#67 Nov 04 2008 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Deportation it is then. Bye, Auntie Z! Hope you can keep those Tutsis from lopping your arms off with their machetes!

/kiss kiss shove

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#68 Nov 04 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
But Jophiel, Auntie Z's case has already been heard and her request has been denied-- all legal-like.
...and?

Maybe they don't teach government where you live but the US Senate isn't the governmental department which enforces Immigration court rulings. It's a legislative body which creates laws & resolutions, ratifies treaties and confirms executive appointments.

I hope you're trolling, Totem, because you're really sounding desperate here.
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#70 Nov 04 2008 at 11:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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murvil wrote:
Have you heard of sanctuary states? Yes the legislative body does play a significant role in how state politicians deal with illegal immigration.
The US Senate sets up sanctuary states? Fascinating. Tell me more?
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#72 Nov 04 2008 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Murvil?? Ok, that has to be the best one yet.
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murvil wrote:
I said state politicians.
Hi. Senator Obama is a federal level politican.

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#75 Nov 04 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, well, we thought you were gone until after the election, too.

We got the short end of that stick.

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