Obama will serve two terms unless some wingnut takes him off the board. At that point the Pubbies will run up a staid, safe candidate and a rightwing VP to satisfy the fringe.
Should they win, I'd see Palin as a Cabinet member with high visibility. Interior, maybe.
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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I dunno, Sammy. I'm inclined to think that this will be a watershed event for the Republican party and the enormity of being left out in the cold in both houses and the Oval Office will cause them to completely retool the machine. I do expect Obama to be in office two terms, assuming the stock market rebounds and the economy can be salvaged relatively quickly. If a recession or its effects linger through Year 3 of his adminstration, all bets are off.
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What I am pointing out is that I think Sarah Palin may be the Right's Obama in that she represents a redemption for the excesses and faults of Newt Gingrich and the failed Contract with America and the foibles of the Bush administration. Right or wrong, irrespective of if she deserves it or not, she represents a departure from the past for many Republican voters who have pined for a candidate that they feel they could invest themselves in. I think it's what Bush portrayed himself as, but failed to deliver. We wouldn't be having this conversation had Iraq not happened and Bush had stood pat on 9/11, ostensibly chasing OBL for the next eight years. People would have viewed his presidency completely differently and Obama likely wouldn't have happened this election cycle.
I don't know if I'm making myself clear here. I am trying to convey the idea that Palin represents the Right's first efforts at reinventing itself. She herself may not succeed, but what she represents likely will. Make sense?
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Yes, it makes more sense. And interestingly both of them also represent a shift of power to a different generation--both being late baby boomers (partly of the next generation) and like the shift to Clinton, you have different priorities and ways of perceiving the world.
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Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Zac'ly, Anna.
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Crap - I find myself agreeing with the black-snake and the enabler. 
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Slippery slope, my toothless haggis gobbler, slippery slope.
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Hell if she spends the next years edjumakating herself, she has a 50% chance of not coming across as a total douchebag.
I expect Palin to be the next Senator from Alaska, which gives her 4 years to polish her image, learn the ropes in Washington and consolidate her power base. I dislike just about everything about her, but I don't underestimate her. She is a good politician who just got thrust into a situation unprepared and who was completely mishandled by the McCain campaign. I would be very surprised if she did not run the next election.
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
I expect Palin to be the next Senator from Alaska
Although it would be awesome to see Palin say "Fuck this sinking ship", drop out from the VP slot and try to bump Stevens on the GOP side of the ticket.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Traditionally it has been harder for senators to get elected than governors. Too much on record for foes to pick at.
I think she'll stay in as governor and spend some time getting some polish, then lobby for a Cabinet position.
But we'll see, we'll see.
I think she'll stay in as governor and spend some time getting some polish, then lobby for a Cabinet position.
But we'll see, we'll see.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'd like to see a refocused GOP. Drop the religious nutters, focus on the economic smarties like Romney, and get over the anti-intellectualism heralded by W and manifested by Palin.
Right now, the Republican party is not in a position to act as a foil to the Dems, which is why you can expect 4-8 years of liberal dominence.
Right now, the Republican party is not in a position to act as a foil to the Dems, which is why you can expect 4-8 years of liberal dominence.
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I am trying to convey the idea that Palin represents the Right's first efforts at reinventing itself.
How, exactly, does skewing even further towards religious fundamentalism, folksy anti-intellectualism, and fear-mongering constitute the Right "reinventing itself?"
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How, exactly, does skewing even further towards religious fundamentalism, folksy anti-intellectualism, and fear-mongering constitute the Right "reinventing itself?"
She has bewbs!?! Clearly they're just telling everyone they're reinventing themselves because they don't think we'll notice it's the same old social conservatism if it's coming from a woman.
Former Sec of State (and McCain endorser) Eaglerburger wrote:
"I don't think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reigns of the presidency,'' he said. "I can name for you any number of other vice presidents who were not particularly up to it either. So the question, I think, is can she learn and would she be tough enough under the circumstances if she were asked to become president, heaven forbid that that ever takes place?
"Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be ... adequate. I can't say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year... well I hope not... get us through whatever period of time was necessary. And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested."
"Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be ... adequate. I can't say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year... well I hope not... get us through whatever period of time was necessary. And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html
Palin says that all the mean press who keep asking her all those hard questions and calling her criticism of Obama negative are infringing on her first amendment rights.
Let's review the First Amendment, shall we?
For one thing, it refers to Congress saying you can't make a law against this stuff, not that anyone can or cannot do it, period.
For another thing, right after it mentions the bit about abridging the freedom of speech, it says quite clearly "or the press."
So, Mrs. Palin: If anything, by ******** about the press calling you out on your ********* you're violating the First Amendment just as much as they are. That is to say, not at all. Neither you nor anyone in the media is in Congress, nor are they making laws saying you can't lie through your teeth on the campaign trail.
Palin says that all the mean press who keep asking her all those hard questions and calling her criticism of Obama negative are infringing on her first amendment rights.
Let's review the First Amendment, shall we?
The First Amendment of the Constitution wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
For one thing, it refers to Congress saying you can't make a law against this stuff, not that anyone can or cannot do it, period.
For another thing, right after it mentions the bit about abridging the freedom of speech, it says quite clearly "or the press."
So, Mrs. Palin: If anything, by ******** about the press calling you out on your ********* you're violating the First Amendment just as much as they are. That is to say, not at all. Neither you nor anyone in the media is in Congress, nor are they making laws saying you can't lie through your teeth on the campaign trail.
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Former Sec of State (and McCain endorser) Eaglerburger wrote:
"I don't think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reigns of the presidency,'' he said. "I can name for you any number of other vice presidents who were not particularly up to it either. So the question, I think, is can she learn and would she be tough enough under the circumstances if she were asked to become president, heaven forbid that that ever takes place?
"Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be ... adequate. I can't say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year... well I hope not... get us through whatever period of time was necessary. And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested."
"Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be ... adequate. I can't say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year... well I hope not... get us through whatever period of time was necessary. And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested."
...and Carter could get a second term, 36 years later...
Gerald Ford's Head wrote:
Frankly, I never found voting to be all that essential to the process...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Gerald Ford's Head wrote:
Frankly, I never found voting to be all that essential to the process...
Richard Nixon's Head wrote:
No kidding, Ford.
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That episode was just on a day or two ago...
Edited, Oct 31st 2008 10:06pm by TirithRR
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Posted: Nov 01 2008 at 4:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) people, dont bash this. democrats everywhere should whole heartedly support palin becoming the new face of the republican party.
shadowrelm wrote:
people, dont bash this. democrats everywhere should whole heartedly support palin becoming the new face of the republican party.
ignorance.
it will guarentee democratic controll for years into the future.
for you repubs, what you should focus on instead of self serving laws and spitting out propaganda to the masses is mabe taking a stand on something....usefull.....to the country and the people who live in it. you pushed the country as far to the right as you could, and you have found the limit. now the country is pushing back. you push harder, they will push harder back. this addministraition has cost you the house, the senate, and soon the executive branch too.
you took and took and took and gave little to nothing in return except grief, economic hardship, embarassment across the globe, ignorance and blatent greed.
the wrong track. find a new one. and extreme right personalities like palin are just traveling further down the WRONG TRACK. you need to learn it within the next 8 years, because the far left is also the wrong track. and that is where we will be in 8 years if you dont get your sorry ***** in gear and find something GOOD to stand for.
hate, fear, and division serves no one. and that is what you get when you try forcing the middle and the left to live as you would have them live instead as they would have themselves live. freedom. thats what you threatened to take from people. the freedom to live as they choose. the freedom to accept their neibhors as they are.....without preconditions.....
8 years. use it to pull your head out of your collective ****** because thats exactly where its been for the last 8 years. and if this country is ever going to move forward, we need to stop this left to right to left crap and meet somewhere in the middle. there is no stopping the backlash you created with this addministraition. but you can use the next 8 years to develop a plan to steer us toward the middle again.
ignorance.
it will guarentee democratic controll for years into the future.
for you repubs, what you should focus on instead of self serving laws and spitting out propaganda to the masses is mabe taking a stand on something....usefull.....to the country and the people who live in it. you pushed the country as far to the right as you could, and you have found the limit. now the country is pushing back. you push harder, they will push harder back. this addministraition has cost you the house, the senate, and soon the executive branch too.
you took and took and took and gave little to nothing in return except grief, economic hardship, embarassment across the globe, ignorance and blatent greed.
the wrong track. find a new one. and extreme right personalities like palin are just traveling further down the WRONG TRACK. you need to learn it within the next 8 years, because the far left is also the wrong track. and that is where we will be in 8 years if you dont get your sorry ***** in gear and find something GOOD to stand for.
hate, fear, and division serves no one. and that is what you get when you try forcing the middle and the left to live as you would have them live instead as they would have themselves live. freedom. thats what you threatened to take from people. the freedom to live as they choose. the freedom to accept their neibhors as they are.....without preconditions.....
8 years. use it to pull your head out of your collective ****** because thats exactly where its been for the last 8 years. and if this country is ever going to move forward, we need to stop this left to right to left crap and meet somewhere in the middle. there is no stopping the backlash you created with this addministraition. but you can use the next 8 years to develop a plan to steer us toward the middle again.
We get the idea, you hate the GOP and think all of their congressmen should be voted out and summarily executed. Jesus Christ, change the record.
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