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#1 Oct 29 2008 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Palin 2012?

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSTRE49S99J20081029
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Whether or not Republican presidential candidate John McCain is elected next week, his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, plans to remain on the U.S. national political scene, ABC News reported on Wednesday.

Asked about 2012, whether she was discouraged by daily attacks on the campaign trail and whether she would return home to Alaska, the Republican vice presidential nominee signaled that she expects to be a player in the next presidential election cycle.
#2 Oct 29 2008 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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Deathwysh wrote:
Palin 2012?


Sounds like good news for the dems in 2012 then.
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#3 Oct 29 2008 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Deathwysh wrote:
Palin 2012?

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSTRE49S99J20081029
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Whether or not Republican presidential candidate John McCain is elected next week, his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, plans to remain on the U.S. national political scene, ABC News reported on Wednesday.

Asked about 2012, whether she was discouraged by daily attacks on the campaign trail and whether she would return home to Alaska, the Republican vice presidential nominee signaled that she expects to be a player in the next presidential election cycle.



Hmmm....

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Palin 2012?


Ummm....

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OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
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#4 Oct 29 2008 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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The GOP could use a good healthy schism between its economic side and its Religious Right folks.
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#5 Oct 29 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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How about bipartisan tickets? Clinton/Palin anyone?


No, I can't see Hellbeast as a bottom. Probably why she didn't run with Barry.
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#6 Oct 30 2008 at 3:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Deathwysh wrote:
Palin 2012?


She's not as dumb as she appears. She's clearly going to need a new wardrobe by then. Smiley: rolleyes
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#7 Oct 30 2008 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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Deathwysh wrote:
Palin 2012?

http://www.reuters.com/article/vc...99J20081029

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Whether or not Republican presidential candidate John McCain is elected next week, his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, plans to remain on the U.S. national political scene, ABC News reported on Wednesday.

Asked about 2012, whether she was discouraged by daily attacks on the campaign trail and whether she would return home to Alaska, the Republican vice presidential nominee signaled that she expects to be a player in the next presidential election cycle.



Hmmm....


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Palin 2012?


Ummm....


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OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!


I'm with this guy. lol
#8 Oct 30 2008 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Deathwysh wrote:
Palin 2012?


She's not as dumb as she appears. She's clearly going to need a new wardrobe by then. Smiley: rolleyes


Why does she think that not wearing or getting rid of her expensive new wardrobe makes her look more in touch with the average American? She should wear that **** all the time. ******* clothes are expensive. Jesus. Smiley: mad
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#9 Oct 30 2008 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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I hope Palin runs in 2012. It would ensure the Dems have another 8 years. She has a lot of people supporting her, but the vast majority of people think she's woefully under qualified for VP. I think the impression she made now will haunt her in 4 years time, even if she does start learning about them foreign boys over there.
#10 Oct 30 2008 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, this might be an area of some future concern for Democrats. If this becomes for the Republicans what Walter Mondale was for the Democrats, then this may be a bellweather for a significant turning point in Republican's long term strategy.

Does this mean Palin herself assumes the mantle of leadership for the party? Most likely not, but what she represents is what is important. Just as Mondale was the last of the old guard Dems before they began producing candidates like Bill Clinton and now Barack Obama, McCain may be the final old guard candidate who, incidentally, introduced the Republican party to a younger, more hip, if you will, generation that appeals to a broader spectrum of voters.

Obama could not have happened without Mondale. He was the death knell for all the Camelot-era politicians who remained fixed in the past. He forced the Democrats to re-examine their candidates, which in turn has produced the palate of national level pols you have today.

Hopefully, this will produce the same change of direction event for Republicans as it did for the Democrats back then.

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#11 Oct 30 2008 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Palin isn't hip. She rallies the base and has high negatives with the center. The GOP is becoming more fractured and marginalized--she's just gonna lead them down the path of irrelevancy.
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#12 Oct 30 2008 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Palin isn't hip. She rallies the base and has high negatives with the center. The GOP is becoming more fractured and marginalized--she's just gonna lead them down the path of irrelevancy.


She might. But I think Totem is right on, though whether our interpretations are te same is still to be seen. Palin represents the very hard core right wing fanatic evangelicals. Fringe base. And those ideals she represents have scared away a lot of the leaning or undecideds. I think this is the time the GOP has to take a step back and try to refocus on what their message really is all about. Too long they have pandered to the fringes to garner their vote for a win, and it's beginning to bite them in the ***. They've essentially lost their identity.


They have 4 years to get their act together and figure out what they want to stand for, and what they are willing to give in order to get. If Palin is the top candidate for the GOP party in 2012 I would be very surprised.
#13 Oct 30 2008 at 8:57 AM Rating: Default
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If Palin is the top candidate for the GOP party in 2012 I would be very surprised.


Let's hope she uses her time wisely and learns to read and pronounce english good and stuff.
#14 Oct 30 2008 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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I would disagree with you there, Anna. For a Republican candidate she is hip-- and maybe more importantly, attractive, which in and of itself isn't noteworthy, but in an age of superficiality and appearance trumping substance, significant.

Look, I'd argue that it isn't Obama that Dems necessarily love, but what he represents. Note this Slate article which says it far more eloquently than I ever could:

"Obama irritates many of the reporters who cover him because he's so controlling and inaccessible. So they're not as much in love with Obama as they're in love with the idea of Obama, of the "meaning" of his run for the presidency, of the redemption he offers a sinful nation that scratched slavery into its liberty-loving Constitution."

What I am pointing out is that I think Sarah Palin may be the Right's Obama in that she represents a redemption for the excesses and faults of Newt Gingrich and the failed Contract with America and the foibles of the Bush administration. Right or wrong, irrespective of if she deserves it or not, she represents a departure from the past for many Republican voters who have pined for a candidate that they feel they could invest themselves in. I think it's what Bush portrayed himself as, but failed to deliver. We wouldn't be having this conversation had Iraq not happened and Bush had stood pat on 9/11, ostensibly chasing OBL for the next eight years. People would have viewed his presidency completely differently and Obama likely wouldn't have happened this election cycle.

I don't know if I'm making myself clear here. I am trying to convey the idea that Palin represents the Right's first efforts at reinventing itself. She herself may not succeed, but what she represents likely will. Make sense?

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#16 Oct 30 2008 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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What's with Palin? I'm sorry but I don't have any idea for I am from the Philippines and I'm not much of a T.V guy.
You don't want to know about her, unless by some miracle she ends up our Vice President or *shudder* President at some point in the future.

In all likelihood, she'll fade back into relative obscurity after the election is over, other than as an object of scorn by some, and an object of rabble-rousing hootenanny-causing Godly inspiration by others.
#17 Oct 30 2008 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
the gift that keeps on giving.

i think dems should spend 1 out of every three dollars on her campaign. it will do more to get obama reelected than giving it to obama would.

lets take a bipartisan stand and start chanting with the repubs....Palin in 1012...woohooo.
#18 Oct 30 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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My apologies. My comp has resarted itself three times now for some stupid Windows patches and my thought train was derailed,leaving me with that mangled post above. My first two other attempts were more understandable and logical in progression. Reference my post two above this one for the central idea of a catlyst for Republican change.

Grrr. Dumb Windows piece of crap, blankity-blank-blank-blank.

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#19 Oct 30 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I am trying to convey the idea that Palin represents the Right's first efforts at reinventing itself.


So the Right is trying to reinvent themselves as meat-heads? Really, that's the best you guys could come up with? They want to be seen as idiots? That's a hell of a rally call.

Come on, that can't even be a real answer.
#20 Oct 30 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
I don't know if I'm making myself clear here. I am trying to convey the idea that Palin represents the Right's first efforts at reinventing itself. She herself may not succeed, but what she represents likely will. Make sense?


I don't know wtf your last post means, but this one made sense. I agree with you. She's atleast an attempt to walk away from the old regime. She's too nutty to succeed, but it shows that they know they need to change.
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#21 Oct 30 2008 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Buboy,

Palin is, what I believe, a first attempt at the Republican party attempting to remake itself. How successful it is or she is in doing so remains yet to be seen, but with many of the more senior Congressional Republicans' jobs on the line this election (s'up, Lizzy Dole?), a major retooling is likely in the offing come November 5.

If so, expect the Dems to be in power for the next 12-20 years, after which a resurgent Republican party and an over-reaching Democratic party will change places. I expect that the Right will be licking its' wounds next Wednesday and heading back to the drawing board on Thursday to see what to do next.

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#22 Oct 30 2008 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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She herself may not succeed, but what she represents likely will.

And this is where you and I disagree. I think some of what she represents may succeed, but for the most part what she represents is really why the ticket lost so many potential votes. While people have praised she isn't one of the "Old boys" in DC, unfortunately she is too new on the scene, in that she does not have enough understanding about the job of VP and all of the issues that go hand in hand with the role. Her stance on abortion, while garners vast votes from the pro lifers, is so extreme, it pushes away those who may have been able to see voting for GOP for being so. Politicians have to walk a fine line on stances in order to get the people on their side. Palin has done the opposite in most cases and only pandered to one portion of the entire country. And that one portion is not enough to get the vote. And the GOP party has taken note of that.


Both sides have needed a breath of fresh air, new ideals, and new excitement. It so happened that this time around, with the lowest polls on approval ratings to Bush combined with a fairly new guy, who still has a list pf experience in the govt, and has ideals that excite the country, the Dems have exactly that. You are correct that it is not Obama himself everyone is excited for. And I think the majority of people out there realize what his goals are may not come to fruition the way he wants, or quickly. But it's for what he is representing, a new change, and change that can be made with tweaks that can still benefit the country as a whole that has skyrocketed him to where he is today. We can look at where our country is today and understand what has been done the last decade or so has not worked. And a change is desperately needed.

Again, it's why I would be very surprised if Palin is top of the GOP ticket next time around. They can garuntee she fills stadiums. They can gauruntee at least one portion of the Americans love her. But they have also seen how many people she pushed away from the party. And if they want any chance at winning, they will reorganize, come up with a plan, and get the change going from within, and find someone who can go across the aisle to get things done, and not be so extreme.

But then again we will see if my predictions hold true in 4 years from now. Until then vive la change
#23 Oct 30 2008 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, Ugly, that was from four or five separate thought processes getting pureed into one unreadable post. I knew what I was saying, but how I got to each idea didn't make it to the keyboard and instead came out like,

"The Right wing voting penguin tends to like chocolate Cadillacs, therefore must drape the upholstery in cat hair." Whaaaa?

Like I said, just reference the post above that for a more coherent something or other.

:/

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I expect that the Right will be licking its' wounds next Wednesday and heading back to the drawing board on Thursday to see what to do next.
According to reports, Republican heads already have a Thursday date in Virginia to figure out how to regroup.

I agree with your theory and expect Palin to be a rallying point for some conservatives. You guys need to get your culture war/economic war thing figured out -- it's pathetic when you appear more disorganized and disunified than the Democrats Smiley: grin

I'd say, though, that the worst thing Palin can do for you right now is set her sights on a 2012 presidential bid. I imagine her splitting the base's conservative votes and either leaving the GOP with a 2nd tier candidate winning (much like Huckabee/Romney vs McCain) or else winning the nomination and failing in the general. Unless something big changes in the next four years in either her or the electorate, she just doesn't have any middle-ground support to win the presidency. I really think she'd be better off in the Senate where she can safely act as nutty conservative as she wants and her red state constituents will keep loving her for it. On the other hand, I think she has stars in her eyes now and wouldn't settle for a job as 1 out of 100.
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#25 Oct 30 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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I agree, DSD.

Palin will likely become the female equivilent of Rudy Guilliani, a character who fulfills a purpose as an attack dog and draws a particular segment to rallies, but is not a viable candidate herself. She is maximizing her moment in the spotlight and attempting to garner as much support for a future run for either the Senate or the presidency next time around.

That she is ambitious is not in dispute. Whether she has any traction is. I suspect not.

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#26 Oct 30 2008 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Ach, I have simply reiterated what Jo said.

/bows to Jophiel for his superior typing skills

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