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#27 Oct 29 2008 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
I think as long as it had an initial energy source, like a batter, before it clicked over to an air engine, it's possible in theory.



Would it be similar to building up speed in a car and then coasting (even downhill) to save gas?

I think either Mythbusters or Brainiac showed that a constant steady speed actually conserves more gas than coasting did.
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#28 Oct 29 2008 at 6:54 PM Rating: Default
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What you are describing, Deb, is a perpetual motion machine. While we can theoretically get close to such a device, the nearest mankind has come to a flying device is one of those extremely efficient glider-type UAVs where the surface is covered in solar cells and powers the props when it wasn't riding thermals to remain aloft.

Obviously such an aircraft cannot carry any useful payload, such as deadly lasers or bombs to kill Arabs-- a truly useful enterprise.
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Edited, Oct 29th 2008 10:54pm by Totem
#29 Oct 29 2008 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Ionic engines are the space equivilent of such a device, btw. No, not Arab killing space machines, but a motion generating energy device. To snuff A-rabs from the cold reaches of space, all you need is a dense projectile that won't burn up during re-entry, with vanes to allow manuvering onto said terrorist. A tracking device like a programmable or frequency agile laser and receiver to lock onto the hapless Allah worshipper would be a nice addition.

Sadly, our space treaties have disallowed such nifty toys.

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#30 Oct 29 2008 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Just duct tape a sailboat to an airplane. Walla!
#31 Oct 30 2008 at 4:39 AM Rating: Good
MentalFrog wrote:
Just duct tape a sailboat to an airplane. Walla!


Or keep a stack or rotten banana peels on hand to keep the flux capacitor powered!
#32 Oct 30 2008 at 4:43 AM Rating: Good
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Walla!
Walla? Really?

Its voila.
#33 Oct 30 2008 at 4:48 AM Rating: Good
AshOnMyTomatoes, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
Walla!
Walla? Really?

Its voila.


Walla is not sooo bad, on the WOW forums I've seen Hoala, Uala, Wola... Took me me a while to get what they meant.
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#35 Oct 30 2008 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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in esence, mabe being able to have a battery run an electric motor which will turn a generator that will recharge the battery fully to create an endless loop where no energy is lost.

Yeah, no.
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#36 Oct 30 2008 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Well Shadowrelm you are not technically wrong on any point, but it seems you are missing the main ideas.

The basic principle of a ramjet is that it scoops up a fuel source as it moves. It burns the oxygen it scoops up with something such as hydrogen to create thrust. It is akin to driving your car along a street flooded with gasoline and sucking some into the engine as you go. It doesn't power itself with mechanical airflow.

Solar fusion doesn't work like a battery and superconductor, it works like fusion. The potential energy from the strong nuclear force is converted into kinetic. Although it does create more energy than used to power the chain reaction this is nothing new, the wording of that sentence is poor. We already do this with nuclear fission, we already do this gasoline, and we already do this with campfires. Fusion just releases a lot more energy per mass than the other techniques. Fusion still runs out of fuel, stars still die.

Edited, Oct 30th 2008 4:01pm by Allegory
#37 Oct 30 2008 at 3:50 PM Rating: Default
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in esence, mabe being able to have a battery run an electric motor which will turn a generator that will recharge the battery fully to create an endless loop where no energy is lost.

Yeah, no.


Well. Technically, yes. If you had frictionless components and superconductors with no energy loss, you could build a system in which a battery ran a motor which in turn recharged the battery. In theory anyway.

However, you couldn't do anything with it. It would be exactly as useful as a rock. The second you attempt to hook that motor up to move or power anything else, that use will drain the power from the system.

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#38 Oct 30 2008 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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shadowrelm wrote:

pretty much useless at subsonic speed though. the SR71 had to climb slowly, then dive to create a higher velocity forced induction to climb a little higher and dive again and do this several times to finally get the ramjet to kick in enough power to make it functional. like a porposing effect up and down building up speed a little each time untill the ram jet kicks in.


This is not accurate. Even fully loaded with fuel the SR71 had more than enough thrust to get up to speed without requiring a dive. Please cite your source on this.


Anyways they apperently recently released the actual engine diagram of the SR-71. Remember that hyred ramjet engine I was babbling on about up there? yeah, it has one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SR71J58.png
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