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eh, you just have to know where NOT to go (like outside)



Well, how are people going to be experienced in handing guns if they are banned?

I agree though for home defense.. tactically they are entirely different...
I'd imagine that one blast from a boom-stick would send any typical intruder heading for the hills....
I personally find shotguns very awkward, messy, and unwieldy.
plus many are modified to only carry like 4 rounds.
the only issue I can really think of against it would be the collateral damage.... then again I'd rather shoot up my TV and walls with lead-shot rather than have a round fly through my wall and hit a kid on the street.

That's why .45 is where it's at. 9mm will go through people and walls. Larger rounds like .40 (what cops use) and .45 tend to expand on impact and embed themselves into the target.

but yeah, home defense. Sure.
Gun-battle. No.

now if you are having gun-battles IN your home.. then you have other issues.

Edited, Oct 28th 2008 8:20pm by Kelvyquayo

The power to amend the constitution derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

That makes Darfur sound like a pretty kewl holiday destination. It always sounded more dangerous than that.

Baltimore? Not so much. (Is there any surfing to be done in Baltimore?)

The reason I said an assult rifle is useless for home defence is because by the time you had the guy in your sights and the safety off he could have raped your sister and cat, stole your hi-fi and Tv and escaped to the next state.

They are bulky, long barrelled, designed to be fired from the shoulder and hard to aim at a target 5 foot away from you even then.

Edited, Oct 28th 2008 9:21pm by tarv

thats knife control not gun control stay on topic.

Anyway you're french you would just Ruuuunnn AWWWWAAYYY!!!

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Well call me picky if you like but under 300 total deaths last year is hardly anything on the scale of the US gun problem.

1/6 the population, 1/100th the problem.

I'll pop in here for a bit.

I am an avid gun shooter. I volunteer at the gun range so I can get discounts on guns and ammo. I shoot 400-500 rounds per week. I am part of the IDPA (International Defense Pistol Assoc) and regularly go to tournaments. I love my guns and yes, my fingers will have to be cold before they are taken from me. My favorite saying is Molon Labe! Come and take them! (Leonidas.) However, I am not white. I have no intention of being a or an hero. If I hear shooting, my fat legs are going to be scooting me away from that direction as quickly as they can move my tubby body. This story disgusts me as it should anyone, pro guns or not.

An 8yo shooting an uzi by himself? Thats stupid. I wouldn't trust an 8yo with a cardboard box. The parent should have held that gun. The parent should have said "No. You can not do it by yourself." The parents should have given that child something more manageable, like a .22 rifle. Children should not be left alone with anything, ever, especially a gun.

Take away machine guns? Why? They are a blast to shoot! Punish those who abuse them? Of course! Punish those who don't? Why? Protect us from ourselves? Please, protect me from governence applied liberally. I don't HAVE to have a M4, but I will be getting one. Its not practical for carrying, hell, its not even practical for home defense! But, it is a blast to shoot. I've still got 10 fingers and 10 toes, everyone at the gun range has 10 fingers, 10 toes, all the shooters I encounter have 10 fingers, 10 toes. I agree to a firearms safety course. I agree to swift, decisive, judgement against those who create danger to others. I do NOT agree on limiting people's ability to have what they want if they are acting in an appropriate manner.

tl;dr. I'm a gun nut. Story is reprehensible. Outrage should be felt by both pro and anti. Laws applied liberally are bad. Molon Labe!

It did marginaly i believe, it's dropped back down again now.

For reasons totally unconnected to the handgun ban, although you wouldn't beieve it if you read a Tory newsletter.

This is a good article on the subject.

This is a good debate. I too prefer shotguns, but not for the reasons mentioned. Shotgun shots do not spread out as wide as most people think. This is a good thing, because 1 or 2 shots hitting a perp is a great reduction in force. Therefore, whether someone has a pistol, shotgun, rifle, for protection, it is imperative that they be able to aim correctly.

I do not believe in over-penetration. I believe there is under, but not over. This is the reason I am not a fan of "fragmentation" bullets. If a perp has heavy clothes on, that bullet may not have the force necessary to penetrate and stop the threat. As far as overpenetration goes, having a gun is NOT a buy and forget deal. Just like practicing with it, we need to think of the what-if's. Call me paranoid, but I live in condition yellow (that threat detection condition you are in while driving). I have mapped out where I want a confrontation to occur that factors in where my bullets will travel should I miss or should the bullet pass through so that it has little chance of injuring an innocent bystander.

Shotguns are, however, easier to use. Most do not have complex safety systems. They can be loaded with different shells for different needs. They are easier to aim and shoot because they have 3 points of stabilizing contact (note, not the same as less accuracy needed). They can afford to use more powerful loads because of that 3 point contact.

again, tl;dr. Buy a shotgun. Practice with it, live in condition yellow, ???, profit.

Pissin' in his pants?

I would tend to agree. That's why I said shotgun. Even an untrained user can fire a shotgun from the hip and still have a good shot at stopping the intruder.

Or try to remove a rusted nut from an old tire and shoot themselves in the feet/legs.

Again, I'm not saying the American public is smart. Noooo sir.

Those blue light cylonish robocams they have on the streetlights are the bomb though. I was waiting to see ED-209 start walking out into the crowds of hustlers.

but yeah. If you aren't around it you aren't around it. People most often bring problems on themselves.

If you're in a bad part of town..just keep driving. If you find yourself walking in such a place, just walk brislkly like you just don;t give a **** around what ever corner you can find and run.


and if you find yourself wandering the streets drunk with a bottle of cheap Vodka try not to walk onto a corner in the middle of a bunch of thugs on a weekend night and start talking about fate and god
seriously though. I had them all sitting around me in a semi-circle on the curb.