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#1 Oct 27 2008 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, no, I think it's a perfectly legitimate belief that the writers of the second amendment intended to protect the right of all 8 year olds to fire Uzis into their @#%^ing heads. @#%^ing morons. I hope the intructor goes to jail and I hope the kids father kills himself. Useless @#%^ing people...like there isn't enough misery in the world that this is what you need to do to entertain your young children. Take them to a god damn museum! A library! The zoo! Do they REALLY need to be firing automatic weapons at that age? Seriously!? And people complain that video games are desensitizing children to violence. You know what else desensitizes children? GETTING SHOT IN THE @#%^ING HEAD!

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Boy, 8, Shoots Self With Uzi at Gun Show
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The club said on its Web site that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun." People are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets, it said.


Yeah, sounds like a great time.

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Edited, Oct 27th 2008 2:39pm by Nexa
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#2 Oct 27 2008 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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#3 Oct 27 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, police Lt. Lawrence Valliere said.

The boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said.
Eight year olds can't handle automatic weapons? Huh... who ever would have guessed that?
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#4 Oct 27 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Default
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There are so very many problems with that article...


1. I understand the need to own a hunting rifle, a shotgun, maybe a handgun, MAYBE, but an UZI? A ******' UZI?

2. Anyone who gives a gun, especially an automatic weapon, to an 8 year old should be publicly flogged.

3. Why are fully automatic weapons legal in your country? Even with your second amendment, it's ******* stupid.
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#5 Oct 27 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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#6 Oct 27 2008 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do Uzis not have a semiautomatic setting?

In any case, eight years old does seem a bit young to be trying to control any gun with any recoil to speak of, much less an Uzi.

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#7 Oct 27 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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He didn't shoot the guy who gave him the gun.

#8 Oct 27 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Do Uzis not have a semiautomatic setting?

In any case, eight years old does seem a bit young to be trying to control any gun with any recoil to speak of, much less an Uzi.



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#9 Oct 27 2008 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
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There are so very many problems with that article...


1. I understand the need to own a hunting rifle, a shotgun, maybe a handgun, MAYBE, but an UZI? A @#%^in' UZI?

2. Anyone who gives a gun, especially an automatic weapon, to an 8 year old should be publicly flogged.

3. Why are fully automatic weapons legal in your country? Even with your second amendment, it's @#%^ing stupid.



It's much easier to kill terrorists with a fully automatic Uzi than it is with a Cricket.
#10 Oct 27 2008 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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#11 Oct 27 2008 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Do Uzis not have a semiautomatic setting?
Probably. I assumed, from the description of the accident, that he was firing it on an automatic setting since it pulled up at his head and continued to fire bullets.

I imagine it could have jerked back like that and the kid pulled the trigger accidentally.
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#12 Oct 27 2008 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Great Driftwood wrote:

3. Why are fully automatic weapons legal in your country? Even with your second amendment, it's @#%^ing stupid.


Because, like much of the childish American mindset, people want what they want and they don't care about the cost.

Any other argument is ********* it's so obviously not what the writers meant that to say so is a blatant lie. You can't even plead ignorance on it.

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#13REDACTED, Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 11:00 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Very sad. I would think they would have a policy about people who aren't strong enough to control an automatic weapon. Thing is, I'm sure that child wasn't the only 8 year old that day to shoot an uzi. Just because you are free to bare arms, doesn't mean you should do so irresponsibly. And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars?
#14 Oct 27 2008 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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However, I was shooting .22 caliber rifles at that age, grandpa wouldn't let me try anything bigger until I could pass the hunter's safety courses, which have a minimum age of 12. Grandpa taught me not to **** around with guns, he was a career Marine who served several years in Vietnam and loved the Marines even after that. When grandpa tells you to do something you do it Smiley: laugh

Still though, even he would think that the need to own an Uzi is ******* stupid, I'm not sure he even has anything that is semi-automatic, I think most of his guns are pump action, lever action, or single shot.
#15 Oct 27 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
Very sad. I would think they would have a policy about people who aren't strong enough to control an automatic weapon. Thing is, I'm sure that child wasn't the only 8 year old that day to shoot an uzi. Just because you are free to bare arms, doesn't mean you should do so irresponsibly. And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars?


Yeah, every time someone uses that completely retarded comparison, God kills a kid with an automatic weapon. Guns are made to kill, Uzis are made to kill people. Cars are made for transportation and sometimes accidents happen. Also of note: 8 year olds aren't allowed to ******* drive, *******.

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#16 Oct 27 2008 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Very sad. I would think they would have a policy about people who aren't strong enough to control an automatic weapon. Thing is, I'm sure that child wasn't the only 8 year old that day to shoot an uzi. Just because you are free to bare arms, doesn't mean you should do so irresponsibly. And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars



Sterotypical Pubbie response.


Guns should NOT be banned completely. See, I'm a leftie, and I said it. Gun should not be banned completely. A hunting rifle? Fine by me. A shotgun? Give er' ****. A pistol or revolver? Sure, I guess. An UZI? Why would you ever need an UZI? No, ban that one. An AK47? You gonna ask for a bazooka too? Go **** yourself.

There is no need for automatic weapons to be in the posession of the general public. Despite your second amendment, the founding fathers could never have guessed that we'd ever be using weapons that could fire hundreds of rounds/minute. Anyone who argues that fully automatic weapons should be allowed under the second amendment is an idiot.
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#17 Oct 27 2008 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars?


No, but it's a decent argument for not letting 8-year-olds drive them.

Yeah, I know Nexa already said it but it bears repeating.

There's also a difference between family sedans and race cars. People who don't drive them for a living usually don't feel the need to own race cars.

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#18 Oct 27 2008 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars?


And yet, there are requirements to make a car "street legal."

Consider an uzi a monster truck.
#19 Oct 27 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Very sad. I would think they would have a policy about people who aren't strong enough to control an automatic weapon. Thing is, I'm sure that child wasn't the only 8 year old that day to shoot an uzi. Just because you are free to bare arms, doesn't mean you should do so irresponsibly. And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars



Sterotypical Pubbie response.


Guns should NOT be banned completely. See, I'm a leftie, and I said it. Gun should not be banned completely. A hunting rifle? Fine by me. A shotgun? Give er' sh*t. A pistol or revolver? Sure, I guess. An UZI? Why would you ever need an UZI? No, ban that one. An AK47? You gonna ask for a bazooka too? Go @#%^ yourself.

There is no need for automatic weapons to be in the posession of the general public. Despite your second amendment, the founding fathers could never have guessed that we'd ever be using weapons that could fire hundreds of rounds/minute. Anyone who argues that fully automatic weapons should be allowed under the second amendment is an idiot.
In the right-wing mindset, the 2nd Amendment is there to provide people a means to protect themselves. An automatic weapon is an even more efficient way of killing people that are threatening you! Smiley: schooled
#20 Oct 27 2008 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars?


No, but it's a decent argument for not letting 8-year-olds drive them.

Yeah, I know Nexa already said it but it bears repeating.

There's also a difference between family sedans and race cars. People who don't drive them for a living usually don't feel the need to own race cars.

Also: cars were not designed solely for the killing of living things. (Even though its a known side effect)
#21 Oct 27 2008 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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The Great Driftwood wrote:
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There is no need for automatic weapons to be in the posession of the general public. Despite your second amendment, the founding fathers could never have guessed that we'd ever be using weapons that could fire hundreds of rounds/minute. Anyone who argues that fully automatic weapons should be allowed under the second amendment is an idiot.


In the interest of playing devil's advocate...

When the founding fathers drafted the 2nd amendment, military firearms and civilian firearms were for all intents and purposes, identical. If you care to listen to one side of the argument, they created the 2nd amendment with the purpose of giving the people the ability to fight back against a tyrannical, unjust government. As such, the right to firearms as capable as military arms was intentionally granted.

Artillery of the day was capable of firing hundreds of projectiles simultaneously (called grapeshot). There was nothing preventing civilians of the day from buying their own artillery if they could afford it (during the Civil War, one Confederate citizen, Wade Hampton, did just that, equipping a small force of infantry, cavalry and artillery at his own expense).

Now, how can we be expected to fight against the upcoming Marxist Obama regime if we aren't allowed to buy our own M1A2 Abrams tanks and Apache gunships?
#22 Oct 27 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
Very sad. I would think they would have a policy about people who aren't strong enough to control an automatic weapon. Thing is, I'm sure that child wasn't the only 8 year old that day to shoot an uzi. Just because you are free to bare arms, doesn't mean you should do so irresponsibly. And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars?
Well technically this wasn't an accident - the boy deliberately pulled the trigger, knowing the gun would fire, AND, kids don't have 'right', regardless, you really think it's ok for an 8 year old to be using an Uzi?

What if it wasn't himself he 'accidently' killed, but your kid? Who's rights are more important and who's should be revoked?

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#23 Oct 27 2008 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's still a legal requirement for every Englishman to practice the Longbow for one hour every Sunday after Mass from the age of 5.

Who are we to judge?

Besides, the 2nd amendment had in mind the defence against invading Englishmen. Things have moved on, and what you really need now is a defence against Englishmen stealing your wimminz and invading your forumz.

On that basis I suspect Uzi-Toting 8-year olds is a fairly proportionate response.
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#24BrimstoneFox, Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 11:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Exactly. If you outlaw weapons, the law-abiding turn them in. The criminals and our government are the only ones left with them (and if you listen to the left, they're all criminals too so why'd they'd want just government to have weapons besides the criminals is a bit mystifying).
#25 Oct 27 2008 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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Exactly. If you outlaw weapons, the law-abiding turn them in. The criminals and our government are the only ones left with them (and if you listen to the left, they're all criminals too so why'd they'd want just government to have weapons besides the criminals is a bit mystifying).


Where was banning "weapons" mentioned in this thread?
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And when an accident occurs, that is not grounds to revoke rights. Car accidents kill children every day, should we ban cars?
Personally I think we should outlaw guns and trust people to run down the rogue military with their cars in the event of a coup d'etat.

Edited, Oct 27th 2008 2:49pm by Jophiel
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