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#28REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 9:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) MMMMMM Kool-Aid. Red > all.
JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
Don't think he is any different than the Clintons, John Kerry, Al Gore.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
Don't think he is any different than the Clintons, John Kerry, Al Gore.
Clinton didn't have a problem winning elections
... his successors, well, not so much.JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
I think the republican party had to look for a candidate that they could try to separate from a terrible administration
About the only way they could do that would be to run a Democrat.
edited: quotes pwn me today
Edited, Oct 27th 2008 11:12am by Ambrya
Overlord Cyroul wrote:
Clinton didn't have a problem winning elections 
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Ambrya wrote:
JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
I think the republican party had to look for a candidate that they could try to separate from a terrible administration
About the only way they could do that would be to run a Democrat.
edited: quotes pwn me today
Edited, Oct 27th 2008 11:12am by Ambrya
Well, they at least had a chance to run a pseudo-Democrat (now former, of course) as VP, but blew that too. Not that I think Lieberman would have been a better choice in any respect. The man is disgustingly short-sighted.
#34BrimstoneFox,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 10:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It is a horrible plan to be sure, but its better than giving the people who had no small part in this problem by 'securing' for banks which was clearly 'unsecurable'. Deregulation did not cause the problem, bad regulation did.
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Yes, but it's slowly losing it's hold. The influence of religion is my biggest qualm with the republican party.
Then think about your criticism of Obama. The accusation of Marxism has always been tied up in accusations of Godlesslessness--furthering the false relationship between Christianity and laissez faire capitalism. The Christian right is aided by stupid comparisons to Marx in an attempt to reignite Cold War fears and establish Obama as an indistinct other.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
BrimstoneFox wrote:
its better than giving the people who had no small part in this problem by 'securing' for banks which was clearly 'unsecurable'.
Is there an English translation of this available somewhere?Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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She asked some "tough" questions and they cancelled an interview with Biden's wife and said they wouldn't do any future interviews from the Obama campaign. All those tough questions were asking about statements made by Biden and Obama. Obama has embraced a communist/socialist attitude of spreading the wealth around. Why does he deny the similarity between him Karl Marx? That's like an acknowledgement that Karl Marx's philosophy was wrong, and in turn, his is wrong. But like I said, it's not gonna much matter. People are ready to embrace socialism. I just hope they are ready for the consequences.
You didn't even watch the interview did you? You're just regurgitating what you've read. As said earlier in the thread, the questions were not tough(clearly, as Biden seemed to have no problem answering them), they were loaded. Their purpose was to make Biden and Obama look bad, it didn't work out so well for them as, unlike whoever wrote the questions, Biden knows how to use his brain.
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Why does he deny the similarity between him Karl Marx?
Because they aren't similar, right-wing fanatics just think they are because that's what the right-wing media tells them to think.
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Well, according to the wikipedia
The onyl time Wikipedia is a valid source is when what's on the page is backed up by another, more trustworthy site.
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I put The Bible about half a notch worse than the works of Karl Marx.
Only half a notch? At least the works of Karl Marx make at least some sense(and you know, are readable, except for Capital, you need to be intelligent to understand it, and clearly, you aren't). You should read his works, well, maybe not, by your standards that would probably make you a commie *******.
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Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
#38REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 10:50 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Exactly why they ran McCain. I think he was actually considering running for president as a democrat back in '01. Not 100% though.
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You simply believe its ok to steal from others or you do not.
Or you don't regard taxation as theft but as part of a contract.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
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You simply believe its ok to steal from others or you do not.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#41BrimstoneFox,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 11:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There are 2 problems with this:
BrimstoneFox wrote:
Samira wrote:
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You simply believe its ok to steal from others or you do not.
Or you don't regard taxation as theft but as part of a contract.
There are 2 problems with this:
1. the word contract - I didn't sign or agree to anything nor do I have a choice.
2. taxation is not inherently wrong, governments are formed to serve the people to do this they need money and the money aptly should come from the people, the problem is the method. Income taxes are theft, period. The money is taken from you without choice. You choose not to pay it, you go to prison (some may call this slavery too). The only way to avoid paying income taxes is to make so little the government pays you. Now consumption taxes on the other hand are a different matter altogether. This is where you say put a sales tax on gas and the government uses this money to build and maintain roads. Now everyone is paying for taxes based off the services they use, those who use the most, pay the most.
haha, ok, so tax on gas is just for roads. What about the police department? We should tax...hmmm...crime? Fire department will be funded by the...heat tax? I think they should just figure out everyone's fair share of the cost of government and send a bill annually! If you can't pay, you go to prison...oh wait, prison would be paid for by the...ummmmm...walking around in a criminal free society tax? huh.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
#43REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 11:41 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) I don't plan on studying Karl Marx in depth, although I did browse his works. If you find no similarity between Barack Obama's stated plans for our country and Karl Marx's writings, you have a very limited ability to compare and contrast. What's even more disconcerting is that Karl Marx felt that a violent revolution was neccessary to reach communism. Otherwise a government would just float back and forth in a state of socialism until it completely crumbled. Given Obama's current associations with William Ayers, ACORN, Jerimiah Wright, etc. I am slightly concerned. These people have very extreme points of view and, with the exception of Wright, have used force to carry out what they think is necessary to "improve" society. Think what you will, but Obama has proven he will say anything to anyone to get their approval. He has been extremely vague about what he will do while in office, other than only tax those making over $250,000 more than what they are paying now, and to focus our military in afghanistan (which I think is a crock).
BrimstoneFox wrote:
The only way to avoid paying income taxes is to make so little the government pays you.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
But like I said, it's not gonna much matter. People are ready to embrace socialism. I just hope they are ready for the consequences.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#46BrimstoneFox,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 11:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're retarded. hello property tax. Land owners would never want police, fire, military protection, would they, but it doesn't have to be that, the bottom line is income tax is corrupt. Even if you had a nominal sales tax to pay for some generic use (ie government administration), not a big deal.
#47REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 12:00 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Haha, you are trying to be a smart ***, but the police department is partially funded by fines from people who commit crimes like speeding, not wearing a seatbelt, possessing illegal substances, noise violations (which you could consider a crime tax). I am aware they receive tax money from your weekly or biweekly confiscation of earnings, but they do actually get money from crimes.
So people in apartments don't use the fire or police departments?
Nexa
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
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There are 2 problems with this:
1. the word contract - I didn't sign or agree to anything nor do I have a choice.
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Income taxes are theft, period. The money is taken from you without choice. You choose not to pay it, you go to prison (some may call this slavery too).
1. the word contract - I didn't sign or agree to anything nor do I have a choice.
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Income taxes are theft, period. The money is taken from you without choice. You choose not to pay it, you go to prison (some may call this slavery too).
You have a choice: it's called a "vote."
And the contract is a Social Contract.
Income tax is theft, prison is slavery, police searches are invasions of privacy; yes yes, we all know this.
The adults here, however, are discussing the levels of theft and slavery that we compromise to in order to ensure the benefits of society and civilization.
#50REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 27 2008 at 12:09 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) We shall soon find out. I could speculate, but there are better speculations than mine out there. Ayn Rand, in my opinion, has an accurate depiction of the consequences of socialism. I am not sure any major advocates who have written for socialism, although I'm sure people who post here would be able to recommend some good reading material.
JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
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Why is it a "slip up"?
She asked some "tough" questions and they cancelled an interview with Biden's wife and said they wouldn't do any future interviews from the Obama campaign. All those tough questions were asking about statements made by Biden and Obama. Obama has embraced a communist/socialist attitude of spreading the wealth around. Why does he deny the similarity between him Karl Marx? That's like an acknowledgement that Karl Marx's philosophy was wrong, and in turn, his is wrong. But like I said, it's not gonna much matter. People are ready to embrace socialism. I just hope they are ready for the consequences.
You're a stupid fucking cunt, I sincerely doubt you could tell me the first thing about Marxism much less make a comparison to anything. Here is another bit of free information you dickless fuck, the US economy isn't a lasse-faire economy and hasn't been in quite sometime, it has been a Mixed Economy for virtually its' entire existence.
Get a ******* clue.
The interviewer is a vapid cunt and she is lucky Biden didn't **** on her ***** face.
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