Obama, to the best of my knowledge, in addition to you Black Neo lovers haven't made a peep about repealing, er, "fixing" that most hated of facist pieces of legislation, the Patriot Act *bum-bum-BUM!* (Ominous music)
Is he so civic minded that even though it's in effect he'll not use it? Or is it that he's so gentle and lovingly hopeful about mending hurt feelings that he'll rename it the Pillow Act for how soft and fluffy we treat our enemies?
What gives, Bush-haters?
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So what's Obamalamadingdong's stance on the Patriot Act?Follow
He's prolly afraid the CIA/Homeland Security will take him out if he proposes reducing or eliminating it. 
Totem wrote:
Obama, to the best of my knowledge, in addition to you Black Neo lovers haven't made a peep about repealing, er, "fixing" that most hated of facist pieces of legislation, the Patriot Act *bum-bum-BUM!* (Ominous music)
Is he so civic minded that even though it's in effect he'll not use it? Or is it that he's so gentle and lovingly hopeful about mending hurt feelings that he'll rename it the Pillow Act for how soft and fluffy we treat our enemies?
What gives, Bush-haters?
Totem
Is he so civic minded that even though it's in effect he'll not use it? Or is it that he's so gentle and lovingly hopeful about mending hurt feelings that he'll rename it the Pillow Act for how soft and fluffy we treat our enemies?
What gives, Bush-haters?
Totem
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that he supported re-authorizing it, but stated it needed some re-working. He ended up supporting a slightly modified version that supposedly compromised somewhat between the original travesty, and a version he hoped for.
But don't quote me on that.
But don't quote me on that.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
You guys won't pester him to repeal it?
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You guys won't pester him to repeal it?
most americans on both sides agree with much of the patriot act.
what the dems dont like is warrentless wire taps. thats the part we will try modifying. need to spy to stop a bad guy? go ahead, but make sure you have a reason to spy on joe. want to randomly spy on anyone you choose? not in this country, try passing your resume out in russia or china.
govenmnets authority should never be beyond reproach. and the current wording of the patriot act lets them do what ever they feel they want to do without oversight.
i am really supprised you "smaller govermnent" types would authorize this very communistic wording. but then your full of hypocracies like that.
what the dems dont like is warrentless wire taps. thats the part we will try modifying. need to spy to stop a bad guy? go ahead, but make sure you have a reason to spy on joe. want to randomly spy on anyone you choose? not in this country, try passing your resume out in russia or china.
govenmnets authority should never be beyond reproach. and the current wording of the patriot act lets them do what ever they feel they want to do without oversight.
i am really supprised you "smaller govermnent" types would authorize this very communistic wording. but then your full of hypocracies like that.
The general consensus here, as I recall, was that the Patriot Act, in and of itself, is a repudiation of our civic freedoms as defined in the Bill of Rights. I disagreed, but the vast majority here were quite incensed about its' implementation.
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The general consensus here, as I recall, was that the Patriot Act, in and of itself, is a repudiation of our civic freedoms as defined in the Bill of Rights. I disagreed, but the vast majority here were quite incensed about its' implementation.
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Well if they change it, it won't be "itself" anymore, now will it?
Precisely. Which is why I ask if you guys will lobby to repeal it.
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Which is why I ask if you guys will lobby to repeal it.
Yes and I have emailed Obama about his position on it already, among other policies, all you get is an automated response from the Obama campaign saying they will look into your request.
Having said that, I think Obama and Congress can find a way to compromise so that our civil liberties are protected while still preserving some of the security changes that were made after Sept. 11'th. They are not doing that right now. In 2007 the Justice Dep't concluded after an internal investigation that the FBI had been illegally abusing the Patirot Act.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11100916/
The new FISA amendment was even more generous giving away civil liberties, and the FBI is now lobbying Congress to basically extend the NSA FISA powers for domestic cases inside the US.
I don't want to give up my freedoms to people who have already been convicted of abusing them.
I think right now Obama is trying to be the best general candidate he can without revealing too much of his hand, so I am hopeful he will be more vigilante once he is in office. We really need to clean up the voting procedures as well, and he was a voting & civil rights attorney and professor of constitutional law, so I think he does value the Constitution and wants to protect its integrity and meaning.
Edited, Oct 24th 2008 3:42pm by soulshaver
Totem is trying too hard at this point.
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Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
I think it's a reasonable question. When the Patriot Act was renewed there was quite a bit of outrage here on the board about how badly it infringed upon our rights as American citizens. As time passed we heard less and less about the topic.
Now there is a good chance with this election the discontented Left will be able to enact or repeal legislation as they please, and I would think the Patriot Act would be front and center on the list of items to be acted upon. So I asked the question looking for what I thought would be genuine interest on the part of Obamunists to do just that.
I find it remarkable that there isn't much passion to change the rule.
Totem
Now there is a good chance with this election the discontented Left will be able to enact or repeal legislation as they please, and I would think the Patriot Act would be front and center on the list of items to be acted upon. So I asked the question looking for what I thought would be genuine interest on the part of Obamunists to do just that.
I find it remarkable that there isn't much passion to change the rule.
Totem
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Totem is trying too hard at this point.
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Totem: What's Obama going to do about the Patriot Act?
A: Change it.
Totem: You don't want him to repeal it?
A: He's changing the bad parts.
Totem: I thought you didn't like it in and of itself?
A: It's not itself anymore if it's been changed.
Totem: Precisely, so why don't you want it repealed?
A: /boggle
A: Change it.
Totem: You don't want him to repeal it?
A: He's changing the bad parts.
Totem: I thought you didn't like it in and of itself?
A: It's not itself anymore if it's been changed.
Totem: Precisely, so why don't you want it repealed?
A: /boggle
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These are cute and reinforce your statements.
What else am I supposed to call them? Obamites? Obaminions? Obaminations? What? Obamunists seem to be as close to what that would signifiy as I can do. Help me out here then.
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What else am I supposed to call them? Obamites? Obaminions? Obaminations? What? Obamunists seem to be as close to what that would signifiy as I can do. Help me out here then.
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Patriots
Love,
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So the "bad" parts are going to be taken out, eh, trick? Does that include everything between the words "Patriot" and "Act?" I wasn't aware that there was anything a Lefty in good standing found acceptable in such a rights trampeling travesty of a law. Perhaps then the careful spying of Muzzie terrorists is a good thing now that your man is about to get into office?
I get it.
/nods
As long as Bush has anything to do with anything it is bad. But give it to the Black Neo and all of a sudden it becomes a force for good, Mom, apple pie, and the American Way.
I see you workin' it.
Totem
I get it.
/nods
As long as Bush has anything to do with anything it is bad. But give it to the Black Neo and all of a sudden it becomes a force for good, Mom, apple pie, and the American Way.
I see you workin' it.
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What else am I supposed to call them? Obamites? Obaminions? Obaminations? What? Obamunists seem to be as close to what that would signifiy as I can do. Help me out here then.
Democrats?
As long as I get to call McCain supporters McCainmongers
Do what now?
I think the point Tote's is making here is that when the issue of the Patriot Act has come up in the past, most of us Conservatives have had the opinion that while it had some problematic aspects to it, the Act itself shouldn't be scrapped, but just amended to close the problematic loopholes with regards to protections of people's rights.
I know for a fact that I consistently stated that position regarding the Act. Yet, I also know that I was continually argued against with seemingly blind hatred for the Act itself no matter what form it took. Anyone who didn't join in by attacking the Patriot Act in its entirety was painted as a stooge of Bush. The Act itself was hung as a boat anchor around Bush's neck as well as though he wrote it personally or something.
Now. When Obama's holding essentially the same position, none of you seem to mind it. Strange, don't you think?
I know for a fact that I consistently stated that position regarding the Act. Yet, I also know that I was continually argued against with seemingly blind hatred for the Act itself no matter what form it took. Anyone who didn't join in by attacking the Patriot Act in its entirety was painted as a stooge of Bush. The Act itself was hung as a boat anchor around Bush's neck as well as though he wrote it personally or something.
Now. When Obama's holding essentially the same position, none of you seem to mind it. Strange, don't you think?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Totem wrote:
So the "bad" parts are going to be taken out, eh, trick? Does that include everything between the words "Patriot" and "Act?" I wasn't aware that there was anything a Lefty in good standing found acceptable in such a rights trampeling travesty of a law.
That's because you act obnoxiously obtuse to try to argue these points.
I can see how it would cause you confusion.
Edited, Oct 24th 2008 6:04pm by trickybeck
gbaji wrote:
Now. When Obama's holding essentially the same position, none of you seem to mind it. Strange, don't you think?
Am I still allowed to vote for Obama?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Now. When Obama's holding essentially the same position, none of you seem to mind it. Strange, don't you think?
Am I still allowed to vote for Obama?
If I say "no", will it actually affect your vote?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
If I say "no", will it actually affect your vote?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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