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#1 Oct 21 2008 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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You will have a Far Left Congress (Fully by themselves meaning the repubs can't do ANYTHING, they can't filibuster, nothing, they will just be innocent on lookers at the travesty), a Left President, and a Left Media.
Ignoring the "media" comment, the current political situation looks as though we'll have a Democratic president and increased Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress. Despite the "Look at Congress's poll numbers!" line, a fair prediction would be another 15 Democrats in the House and a half-dozen or so in the Senate. While still unlikely, a 60 Democrat Senate isn't a complete impossibility at this point as once Republican-safe races tighten.

So what should the Republicans do to turn things around? What should they have done two or four years ago? Is the answer just "Yeah, well, wait until the Democrats all suck and then we'll win!"? Just rely on the other guy ******** up badly enough that you look good in comparison? (Hell, some might say that's what the Democrats did)

I'm especially interested in hearing from the Right-wingers around here: If you were given the power to steer the party's direction, what would you change to rehabilitate the party's image?
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#2 Oct 21 2008 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can't speak for the right wingers but if it were up to me, I'd wean the party away from the religious wingnuts and get back to the roots of the party: cut government spending (including but not limited to corporate welfare), judicious across the board tax cuts as soon as that's feasible, strong military for the modern world.

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#3 Oct 21 2008 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
Personally, I'd hold a party-wide press conference, apologize for Bush, and finish up with "Can we please just take a mulligan on the last eight years?"
#4 Oct 21 2008 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I would hope they are looking to steer their party more and more towards the moderate. Some states will simply vote in any major republican on the ballot--gross oversimplification--but as urban areas expand, it will be impossible to garner independent voters to your side with 'religious' ideas. Getting back to their roots of fiscal responsibility, smaller government, and personal freedoms is very important.

I don't believe the GOP is so Grand anymore.
#5 Oct 21 2008 at 5:43 PM Rating: Excellent
Build Time Machine.

Bring back McCain 2000.

???

Profit.
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#6 Oct 21 2008 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
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So what should the Republicans do to turn things around?


They should blow something up!

Something the 'people' really identify with. Obviously not Wall Street, thats no good any more, but say... the Budweiser factory, where Joe Six-pack worships on a friday nite, that would be a good one.

They should make it look like a bunch of Sudanese moslems did it because of how they hate how Americans have the freedom to drink beer and have sex and stuff (and no-one in the US knows where Sudan is). This can be achieved by scattering a couple of Korans about the area, and better still an Saudi Sudanese passport or two.

Then they should get some muppet to drive a 'plane packed with disabled children and news-reporters (from Fox?) at full speed into the front of the factory on prime time teevee.

Then, when the dust clears a bit, they (the pubbies) should invade Iran.

Shit. It worked last time!
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#7REDACTED, Posted: Oct 21 2008 at 8:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Love the crazy left wing responses on here, conspiracy everywhere!!! /shocking (not).
#8 Oct 21 2008 at 8:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno...they should probably keep using the idea of terrorism being some actual threat to the sovereignty of the United States, as well as the possibility of people dying in a terrorist attack, to justify any and everything. It seems to play well in Peoria.




Edited, Oct 21st 2008 11:35pm by trickybeck
#9 Oct 21 2008 at 8:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Love the crazy left wing responses on here, conspiracy everywhere!!! /shocking (not).
The only "conspiracy" one was the one above yours.

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Personally, myself, I want smaller government, strong military, a flat low tax rate and get rid of this overcomplicated tax code, fiscal responsibility and oversight, Term restrictions on all congress members (IE Senators max 3 term, House max 3 term) and most importantly Accountability on all representatives. Put all bills online for the people to view and form opinions on themselves, put all votes online to see where each person voted.

Transparency in government would go a long long way.

I would also add, Fix both parties, government is not working for the people too much corruption on BOTH sides, the thing is democrats don't think their party is doing it, but guess what ALL government is corrupt. We need transparency, and there is ways to achieve this.
...the rest of this has nothing to do with the thread's topic, per se.

Also, unless the military develops efficient powered armor within the next 5-10 years (which would allow them to downsize while keeping the same overall combat ability), "smaller government" and "strong military" are essentially at odds - the military effectively is the 2nd-largest part of the government (behind civil service), and it's not that much smaller...

Term limits on Congress probably wouldn't fly, barring some kind of grassroots-started Constitutional amendment. You really expect them to step quietly into the background? (Then again, most of the great minds behind communism expected "the powers that be" to do so as the last step of actually getting it going.)

And accountability... you mean the ability for any citizen of their state/district (for senators and representatives) to call for a recall (because, really, there already is - if you don't like a decision your current senator/representative made, YOU VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE NEXT ELECTION)? Thank you, I'd prefer less chaos in my government.
#10 Oct 21 2008 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
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Also, unless the military develops efficient powered armor within the next 5-10 years (which would allow them to downsize while keeping the same overall combat ability), "smaller government" and "strong military" are essentially at odds - the military effectively is the 2nd-largest part of the government (behind civil service), and it's not that much smaller..


Off topic, but I doubt that powered armor systems are the way to go; light unmanned craft are much less reliant on outside support systems to keep them running. Powered armor style weapon systems would lessen the amount of people on the ground, but increase the amount of people doing support work drastically, due to maintenance, refueling, operational training, etc. A drone system, would be able to be self sufficient with the use of solar cells, sans using up ammunition (barring significant developments in laser technology, which could render this nil as well.)
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#11 Oct 22 2008 at 12:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Also, unless the military develops efficient powered armor within the next 5-10 years (which would allow them to downsize while keeping the same overall combat ability), "smaller government" and "strong military" are essentially at odds - the military effectively is the 2nd-largest part of the government (behind civil service), and it's not that much smaller..


Off topic, but I doubt that powered armor systems are the way to go; light unmanned craft are much less reliant on outside support systems to keep them running. Powered armor style weapon systems would lessen the amount of people on the ground, but increase the amount of people doing support work drastically, due to maintenance, refueling, operational training, etc. A drone system, would be able to be self sufficient with the use of solar cells, sans using up ammunition (barring significant developments in laser technology, which could render this nil as well.)
Really, both combined are ideal - powered armor filling the role traditionally used by tanks (and some infantry roles as well), unmanned vehicles covering the majority of everything else. I left unmanned vehicles out for two reasons:

1) We already have them, and so it's a matter of incremental improvements; and
2) I forgot.
#12 Oct 22 2008 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree largely with Samira. The GOP is driving many people away by catering so strongly conservative in social issues. Their focus should be economic issues, especially now. The economic issue crosses all party lines, and although people disagree with the method everyone agrees that we benefit from a better economy. If Republicans can paint the party as the better clearly the better economic choice then I believe they would steal a significant margin of voters back from the Democrats.
#13 Oct 22 2008 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
A strong military is also at odds with lower taxes and an "uncomplicated" tax code. Someone has to pay for all those armored tanks, and the ~$1,000 a year in taxes the government makes off people like me - underemployed and in debt - ain't gonna cut it.

You can't have it both ways. You can pay a flat tax and have no military or a weak military, or pay a tiered tax structure and have as much military as your country can possibly build up. This isn't WWII, where families recycled coat hangers to make metal for tanks, bullets, and guns.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2008 7:40am by catwho
#14REDACTED, Posted: Oct 22 2008 at 6:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) President: Run a young, charismatic minority who has little background. Make sure he appeases everyone and tells them what they want to hear. Talk about unity, and how big business has put us in another crisis (these economic crisis seem to run on a 4 year cycle, so I'm sure we'll be in the middle of another one just in time for the primaries). Talk about socializing everything people are unhappy with because they deserve it and talk about how rich people are going to pay for it. Then just carry out your agenda.
#15 Oct 22 2008 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Or, you know, deflect the discussion entirely.

I will say that one thing the right needs to do is to bring a sincerely positive person in for the nomination next time. That's one quality about Sarah Palin that people are responding to wholeheartedly. It was about 40% of Reagan's magic as well.

I don't mean that her conduct has been positive, mind you. Slagging the other side with dubious accusations is the last tactic of the losing team. But her persona, the image of the smart, down to earth, can-do woman really draws people into her circle.

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#16 Oct 22 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
President: Run a young, charismatic minority who has little background.
Jindal 2012!
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#17 Oct 22 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Can't speak for the right wingers but if it were up to me, I'd wean the party away from the religious wingnuts and get back to the roots of the party: cut government spending (including but not limited to corporate welfare), judicious across the board tax cuts as soon as that's feasible, strong military for the modern world.



This, and one of the things that most drew me to the Republican party in my youth was the idea of a non-intrusive national government. They should go back to the ideal of letting the States largely govern themselves, and stick to the major issues of the National scene, foreign policy, trade, etc.
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#19 Oct 22 2008 at 7:26 AM Rating: Default
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Republicans should do absolutely nothing. With Congress' popularity numbers at an all time low, their new powers of unstoppable horrible-ness will utterly kill them. Inexplicably, the public has seen this Congress as Republican-- which explains a lot when it comes to them choosing a borderline Commie-Socialist over a decorated war hero --but having a solid majority with people like Nancy Pelosi running things, the pendulum will quickly swing back to the Right.

Hopefully the Republicans will have learned their lesson and not stray from the philosophy of fiscal responsibility, low taxes, and little government interference in personal and business lives-- unlike the presidents, congresses, and agencies that have said one ting and done another.

But make no mistake, the Democrats won't be able to prevent themselves from going overboard and attempting social change and creating government programs that will cost working Americans their paychecks. Why? Because absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Fait accompli.

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#20 Oct 22 2008 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
Republicans should do absolutely nothing. With Congress' popularity numbers at an all time low
You guys keep tooting that horn but breakdowns show less support for sitting congressional Republicans than Democrats and the Democrats are dominating the Congressional races this year.
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Hopefully the Republicans will have learned their lesson and not stray from the philosophy of fiscal responsibility, low taxes, and little government interference in personal and business lives-- unlike the presidents, congresses, and agencies that have said one ting and done another.
I thought they weren't supposed to change Smiley: wink2
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#21 Oct 22 2008 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah. Like I said, for some inexplicable reason the public still thinks this is a Republican-led Congress. However, all this will change once the Dems sweep both houses, have a Dem prez, and put two Lefty Supremes in court (unless they choose an anti-Souter who goes right after portraying himself as a Leftie).

It's what led to a Republican era this last time. Hopefully however, when the Republicans get back into power they'll remember the error of their ways and avoid the excesses of this era. Hopefully.

That being said, it's unlikely, seeing that regardless who is in charge, they cannot seem to stop themselves from overdoing whatever their agenda is and ruining a good thing. Happens every time.

So enjoy your run, Dems. Soon enough you'll ***** the pooch and the public will t'row da bums outs.

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#22 Oct 22 2008 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:

It's what led to a Republican era this last time. Hopefully however, when the Republicans get back into power they'll remember the error of their ways and avoid the excesses of this era. Hopefully.

That being said, it's unlikely, seeing that regardless who is in charge, they cannot seem to stop themselves from overdoing whatever their agenda is and ruining a good thing. Happens every time.


Wow. Did Totes just admit the Bush administration sucks?
#23 Oct 22 2008 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's what I said eight years ago, Totes.

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#24 Oct 22 2008 at 8:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
Yeah. Like I said, for some inexplicable reason the public still thinks this is a Republican-led Congress.
Do they? I haven't seen this.
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#25 Oct 22 2008 at 8:18 AM Rating: Excellent
To be fair, Cheney is President of the Senate.

(Which is why he thinks he doesn't work for the executive branch of Gov.)

Edited, Oct 22nd 2008 12:19pm by Omegavegeta
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#26 Oct 22 2008 at 8:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, I admit it. This admin sucks

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