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#102 Oct 22 2008 at 7:48 PM Rating: Default
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You like to act as if she's not like evil Obama, all urban and unknowable.


Obama reported 4.2 million dollars in income in 2007.

Palin reported 166 thousand.


The point is that she is arguably the first major party candidate on a presidential ticket any of us have seen in our lifetimes who is *not* a millionaire. And she's certainly the first female in that position.

And all you guys can do is talk negatively about how the RNC bought clothes for her while she's campaigning? Seriously? That's a bad thing to you?
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#103 Oct 22 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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And all you guys can do is talk negatively about how the RNC bought clothes for her while she's campaigning? Seriously?
Oh, no. I have plenty of bad things I can say about Palin. This is just the soup du jour.
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That's a bad thing to you?
To me? Nah. Like I said, I think the campaign should spend more on her. Spend millions!

Now, is it a bad thing for the people who bought into her home town, Wal-Mart shopping, hockey mom regular gal vibe? Probably. Just like McCain's seven (or eight.. or nine..?) houses, it blunts the whole "We're just workin' folk like you!" message and makes a mockery of the "Obama's an elitist!" attack line. It'll eat up late night talk show cycles and we'll see an SNL skit this weekend of Tina Fey in a Saks 5th Avenue, buying $4,000 blouses. Palin's negatives are already dragging McCain down so it won't help.

Worse yet, there's not much time yet until election day. This story, stupid as it may be to you, dominated the news cycles for the day. Wasted one day out of the 13 left before we election day. One less day where people could have been talking about McCain's economic message or his national security message or whatever else. Instead they're spending it talking about Palin and her $150,000 wardrobe.
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#104 Oct 22 2008 at 7:58 PM Rating: Default
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One less day where people could have been talking about McCain's economic message or his national security message or whatever else. Instead they're spending it talking about Palin and her $150,000 wardrobe.


Yup. Says a lot about the party who's plan to win is to keep tying the media up in irrelevancies like how much some clothes cost, in order to prevent the people from thinking too hard about such unimportant issues like comparing the tax plans of the two tickets...
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Says a lot about the party who's plan to win is to keep tying the media up in irrelevancies like how much some clothes cost, in order to prevent the people from thinking too hard about such unimportant issues like comparing the tax plans of the two tickets...
Camp Obama has barely said peep about it. The story broke in Politico.

I'm sure now that The Politico is some liberal media arm of the Obama campaign, right?
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#106 Oct 22 2008 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Again. You didn't seem to mind what she was wearing until you heard that she didn't own the clothes she was wearing. So you're basically saying she's not qualified to be vice president because she's not wealthy enough to afford those clothes on her own.


No, I'm saying her being unqualified to be VP is absolutely irrelevent to the type of clothing she owns, but the fact that she's spending all this time and money LOOKING like a good candidate rather than actually BEING a good candidate highlights her inadequacy for the job.

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Which makes you elitist.


Oh, that's right, the only people who should be expected to pay their own way are the welfare recipients drinking the sweat off the brow of the working man, right? A woman who has had enough money to campaign for public office should just get a free ride.

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It's ok for her to wear expensive clothing, but only if she's actually rich, right?


Let's see, do I expect a leader of my country to be responsible enough to live within her personal means and not go on $75,000 shopping sprees? Frankly, yes. If you can't afford to get something as trivial as designer clothing for yourself, don't expect anyone else to buy it for you. Who is going to be buying her clothing if she gets to be VP?

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And since the cost for formal and semi-formal clothing is massively greater for women than men, it also makes you sexist.


Not at all. I'll be the first to express outrage over the "girl tax" that is fashion wear and things like dry cleaning charges. But since no one else pays for it for me, I do without. Living within my means and all.

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Afterall, if she were a man, the cost to get her (him?) an acceptable, dare I say it "presidential" wardrobe would be far less and you might not think so much about it.


If she were a man, I would be just as offended at the idea of campaign contributors buying Armani suits as I am Chanel dresses. The only reason I had no problem with her clothing before is because I wouldn't know a Christian Dior pantsuit from a pair of overalls, and because I assumed she was being a responsible adult and buying her own clothing. That's because I don't look at labels. I DO, however, look at price tags, and if I can't afford it, I don't buy it.

If I found out my political contributions were buying designer clothing and not going to getting the message out, I'd be FURIOUS, and the fact that you, Gbaji, who have preached the concept of "living within ones means" as the way to cure all the world's ills, can rationalize this to yourself is absolutely hilarious.

#107 Oct 22 2008 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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I guess it doesn't help that even the frugal women buy 10+ pairs of shoes.


Not me. I buy a couple pairs of GOOD shoes that will wear well and that's it. I have a pair of Berkenstocks that I've had re-soled twice, a pair of tennis shoes with good support that I replace every couple years, and since I rarely wear dress shoes, I usually get a cheap black pair that it doesn't matter if they don't fit comfortably because I won't be wearing them long or often.

If I've had any extravagance where shoes were concerned, it happened when I was pregnant and in imminent danger of losing visual contact with my feet. I needed something with good support in a larger size than I normally wore that didn't need to be laced up, and it was winter so the Berks weren't gonna cut it, so I sprung for a $70 pair of Merrill's that I haven't worn since.
#108 Oct 23 2008 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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She could be wearing a $1 garbage bag or a $10,000 dress. Doesn't matterSmiley: oyvey.

She believes that dinosaurs co-existed with Adam and Eve. And her invisible buddy in the sky made the world in a week......

She's a gullible fool.

Thats what matters.
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#109 Oct 23 2008 at 2:53 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=189132

I've always loved Jon Stewart. I love his reactions to some of the stupidest sh*t people end up doing. I like the "Original Thriller Jacket" bought off ebay bit.

Oh and I guess Todd Palin spent almost $5,000 on close for himself in September. I've just recently started following politics so I'm kinda new at it but is it normal for the "First Lady", or whatever the hell you wanna call him, to get a 5k wardrobe upgrade courtesy of the campaign funds?

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Edited, Oct 23rd 2008 4:03am by cyanjoeblake
#110 Oct 23 2008 at 4:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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And of course, not that we're still talking about campaign finance reform, but if we were, well, this would certainly be fertile ground.

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is it normal for the "First Lady", or whatever the hell you wanna call him, to get a 5k wardrobe upgrade courtesy of the campaign funds?


It appears to be a grey area since the money came from the RNC and not the McCain campaign.
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is it normal for the "First Lady", or whatever the hell you wanna call him, to get a 5k wardrobe upgrade courtesy of the campaign funds?
The Obama/Biden campaign hasn't spent any campaign or party money on candidate's clothes, if that gives you a baseline.
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#113 Oct 23 2008 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
The dish on the Obama DNC outfits from a CONSERVATIVE blog (so stfu about bias):

http://townhall.com/blog/g/91a0305f-5e48-4a79-9aa2-7ef5670e3fbc

The Obama convention night outfits, total, combined, were worth about 1/10th of Cindy McCain's.

Edit: Confirmed elsewhere that they bought those outfits with their own money, not campaign funds.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2008 10:11am by catwho
#114 Oct 23 2008 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
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The point is that she is arguably the first major party candidate on a presidential ticket any of us have seen in our lifetimes who is *not* a millionaire. And she's certainly the first female in that position.


Well, also, Joe Biden isn't all that rich himself.

But anyway, Palin gets smeared for actual fact. The crazy Pubbies at Freerepublic and at other GOP repositories of stupid are thinking that Obama is going to Hawaii to off his grandma who isn't really sick. Smiley: oyvey
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#115 Oct 23 2008 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Because that's a perfectly rational thing to do when all eyes are on you.

Lord, spare us from the stupidity of true believers.

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I find amusement in the special brand of rareified crazy that only Freepers can provide but, damn, their site layout is pure shit. I can't be bothered to read it due to layout alone.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2008 9:48am by Jophiel
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#117 Oct 23 2008 at 6:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I find amusement in the special brand of rareified crazy that only Freepers can provide but, damn, their site layout is pure shit. I can't be bothered to read it due to layout alone.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2008 9:48am by Jophiel


Yeah, yeah, the freepers are awesomely insane. Now, mind you, I don't think they are in the mainstream of the republican party or even among their adherents. They are less Totem and more Varrus if I had to describe it.
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#118 Oct 23 2008 at 12:58 PM Rating: Default
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People are bothered by this? I don't get it.

We have 16th amendment still in effect. That is a good reason to get bothered.

We're about to let a communist buy the whitehouse, oh the irony. A guy who gets 'housing advice' from the execs at Fannie Mae. Brilliant.

We elect democrats because Republicans can't control spending, and the national debt grows. Brilliant.

But we're more worried about whether the Governor of Alaska spent a few hundred bucks of the state's money on her kids.

Well America, you want change, its coming. Be prepared to get hoodwinked things about about to get a hell of a lot worse, people deserve their governments.
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#119 Oct 23 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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We elect democrats because Republicans can't control spending, and the national debt grows. Brilliant


Last time a Democrat was President the national debt shrank.

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#120 Oct 23 2008 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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People are bothered by this? I don't get it.

We have 16th amendment still in effect. That is a good reason to get bothered.

We're about to let a communist buy the whitehouse, oh the irony. A guy who gets 'housing advice' from the execs at Fannie Mae. Brilliant.

We elect democrats because Republicans can't control spending, and the national debt grows. Brilliant.

But we're more worried about whether the Governor of Alaska spent a few hundred bucks of the state's money on her kids.

Well America, you want change, its coming. Be prepared to get hoodwinked things about about to get a hell of a lot worse, people deserve their governments.



Communist? I assume you're talking about Obama. Maybe you should research exactly what communism is.

Anyway...

We already have a crazy right-winger here, go home.
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Last time a Democrat was President the national debt shrank.



This.

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We're about to let a communist buy the whitehouse
Communist????

I was promised a socialist! Smiley: mad
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#123 Oct 23 2008 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
The best argument the McCain campaign could come up with was, "She needed clothes."

Why yes. She needed clothes. And she could have gotten similarly spiffy outfits at TJ Maxx for a fraction of the cost. It's not as if she's morbidly obese and has to have her clothes custom made, or has some horrible disfigurement to hide. She would have looked just as good in suits bought from JC Penny and shoes from Payless.

Remember the $150 dress on The View that Michelle Obama wore? That subsequently sold out across the nation? You don't see anyone running out and buying the exact name brand jacket that Palin wore to one of her rallies -- because for much of America, it was one or two months pay.

Apparently, Palin asked the folks at SNL for a nicer outfit because the one that they had picked out for her was so last month.
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People are bothered by this? I don't get it.

We have 16th amendment still in effect. That is a good reason to get bothered.

We're about to let a communist buy the whitehouse, oh the irony. A guy who gets 'housing advice' from the execs at Fannie Mae. Brilliant.

We elect democrats because Republicans can't control spending, and the national debt grows. Brilliant.

But we're more worried about whether the Governor of Alaska spent a few hundred bucks of the state's money on her kids.

Well America, you want change, its coming. Be prepared to get hoodwinked things about about to get a hell of a lot worse, people deserve their governments.


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Holy sh*t... the Republicans' brilliant answer to the Palin shopping spree is to attack Obama for using his campaign plane to visit his dying grandmother

Smiley: eekSmiley: laugh

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Republican strategist Brad Blakeman, responding to a question about how John McCain could square his opposition to wasteful spending with the RNC shelling out over $150,000 on clothes and accessories for Sarah Palin, said that the real outrage is Barack Obama "taking a 767 campaign plane to go visit Grandma."
The article has the video of the exchange.

Yeah... attacking the guy for visiting his dying grandmother is sure to gain some traction. Obama could have ridden on a golden flying chariot pulled by spotted owls and it'd still be a stupid fucking attack to try and make. I don't think it's possible to make the Republicans look more petty.

Edit: Oops! Link

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Last time a Democrat was President the national debt shrank.



Sigh...

While you both use the term "national debt", we all know (or should by now) that the relevant calculation is "debt held by public as a percentage of GDP". That's the only correct way to measure real debt against a national economy.

And on that measure, the highest rate we've had was during the first half of Clinton's presidency, with values in the high 40s (49% for three years in a row). Sure. During the second half, the rate dropped dramatically.

During Bush's 8 years in office, it's been sitting pretty stable at around 35-37%. It has not gone up. It has not gone down. It's stayed about the same the whole time.

As to the drop from the massive highs during the Clinton years? The only real change there was that Republicans took power in Congress. It's pretty hard to make any sound argument that Clinton did anything to cause that at all...
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