Palin's travel expenses for her kids paid for by the state, even when they weren't invited.
Gee, if she hadn't taken aim at all those naughty corrupt politicians, they might have bilked the state out of the money SHE was gonna bilk the state for.
5 days in a luxury hotel with her daughter for a 5-hour conference? Wonder if they hit the spa...?
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Ambrya wrote:
5 days in a luxury hotel with her daughter for a 5-hour conference? Wonder if they hit the spa...?
Sorry, I was at the hotel and things kinda got outta hand. I wouldn't let her leave.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Ah... So if she leaves the kids at home, she's a bad mother and shouldn't be in politics, but if she brings them along, it's "corruption"?
Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I also love how in the article the previous Dem Governor made a big point of saying he never charged the state for "commercial" flights, but then we learn a bit down the way that the reason she was charging for the commercial flights was because she sold the private jet which previous governors had used.
Tell you what? Let's deduct the 21k she's charged in 2 years for commercial trips from the amount it would have cost to maintain and use said jet and see if we come out ahead...
Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I also love how in the article the previous Dem Governor made a big point of saying he never charged the state for "commercial" flights, but then we learn a bit down the way that the reason she was charging for the commercial flights was because she sold the private jet which previous governors had used.
Tell you what? Let's deduct the 21k she's charged in 2 years for commercial trips from the amount it would have cost to maintain and use said jet and see if we come out ahead...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Ah... So if she leaves the kids at home, she's a bad mother and shouldn't be in politics, but if she brings them along, it's "corruption"?
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Let's deduct the 21k she's charged in 2 years for commercial trips from the amount it would have cost to maintain and use said jet and see if we come out ahead...
Wow.
Edited, Oct 21st 2008 7:15pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Apparently enough wrongs do make a rightwing politician
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When Palin amended her children's expense reports, she listed a role for the two girls at the function - "to draw two separate raffle tickets."
Is this an example of the "Fiscal responsibility" that they like to trumpet? Love,
PunkFloyd
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Omegavegeta wrote:
I had my Avatar before you did.
Sorry, I didn't see yours, I picked it up over at LiveJournal. I'll change it.
gbaji wrote:
Ah... So if she leaves the kids at home, she's a bad mother and shouldn't be in politics, but if she brings them along, it's "corruption"?
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On Aug. 6, three weeks before Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain chose Palin his running mate, and after Alaska reporters asked for the records, Palin ordered changes to previously filed expense reports for her daughters' travel.
gbaji wrote:
Ah... So if she leaves the kids at home, she's a bad mother and shouldn't be in politics, but if she brings them along, it's "corruption"?
Not at all. But she's not allowed to bring them along when they aren't invited and then charge the state for it. It's not the state's job to put her up for five days in a luxury hotel with her daughter when all she was doing was attending a single afternoon event.
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I also love how in the article the previous Dem Governor made a big point of saying he never charged the state for "commercial" flights, but then we learn a bit down the way that the reason she was charging for the commercial flights was because she sold the private jet which previous governors had used.
And yet you fail to notice how she charges to the state flights for her kid's attendance at things like her husband's dog-sledding event and then when it appeared these charges might be questioned, has the documentation changes to justify it as an "official" expense.
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Tell you what? Let's deduct the 21k she's charged in 2 years for commercial trips from the amount it would have cost to maintain and use said jet and see if we come out ahead...
Better yet, how about we throw out the bullsh'it rationalizations and bill her for the damn flights she should have paid for in the first place. It's not the state's job to shell out money so she can win a "good mom" award for dragging her kids around everywhere with her even when their attendance isn't necessary.
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Ah... So if she leaves the kids at home, she's a bad mother and shouldn't be in politics, but if she brings them along, it's "corruption"?
Except that the article only says that "some" didn't specifically invite them, and in many cases she asked if she could bring them (and it was presumably oked). Are you suggesting that when Obama shows up at an event with his children, he's not allowed to expense their costs? Should we be looking into campaign funding violations for this? Where does the madness end!???
If you can find me an example where she sent the kids off on a trip on their own where she wasn't there and no official business was conducted of any kind and charged it to the state, then you might have a point. Maybe she expensed a camping trip, or a school field trip or something. Have fun looking...
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Let's deduct the 21k she's charged in 2 years for commercial trips from the amount it would have cost to maintain and use said jet and see if we come out ahead...
No duncehead... ;)
I'm suggesting that it's unfair to compare the charges by Palin for commercial flights for her kids to previous administrations when the previous administrations presumably just piled them into the state funded private jet.
Part of that savings was realizing that it would be cheaper to fly her (and her family) on commercial airlines than having their own jet on call.
What's next Joph? A politician gives up the motorcade and rides a public bus and you want to charge them with corruption for expensing bus tickets for their kids?
Wow. You guys really are digging for this one, aren't you?
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Wow.
Is there an echo in here? :)
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
If you can find me an example where she sent the kids off on a trip on their own where she wasn't there and no official business was conducted of any kind and charged it to the state, then you might have a point. Maybe she expensed a camping trip, or a school field trip or something. Have fun looking...
Do tell us what "official business" was conducted in the other 4 and a half days she and Bristol were camped out at the swanky hotel after the conference was over?
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Wow. You guys really are digging for this one, aren't you?
The only one digging here is you. Your sweetheart has just been caught with her hand in the cookie jar. Deal with it.
gbaji wrote:
If you can find me an example where she sent the kids off on a trip on their own where she wasn't there and no official business was conducted of any kind and charged it to the state, then you might have a point. Maybe she expensed a camping trip, or a school field trip or something. Have fun looking...
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The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to
1. join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and
2. a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.
1. join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and
2. a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.
Reading comprehension pwns you. In the first instance, it was a recreational trip. In second instance, she could have perhaps stretched the billing to three days: there, event, and back but FIVE? No way.
Edit. I'm giving up the ghost here, since Ambrya's on it and frankly, I have precious little patience for you.
Edited, Oct 21st 2008 7:42pm by Atomicflea
There's also the nice little article about the $150,000 paid in expenses by the RNC on clothes. Granted people need clothing, but $150,000? Seriously can't get decent clothes at a decent boutique and keep that number lower? How many ads could that money buy? It's their prerogative to spend their warchest on what they will, but if I knew that any money I donated to a political party was to be spent on fashion accessories, I wouldn't bother.
gbaji wrote:
Except that the article only says that "some" didn't specifically invite them, and in many cases she asked if she could bring them (and it was presumably oked).
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Are you suggesting that when Obama shows up at an event with his children, he's not allowed to expense their costs?
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Should we be looking into campaign funding violations for this? Where does the madness end!???
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I'm suggesting that it's unfair to compare the charges by Palin for commercial flights for her kids to previous administrations when the previous administrations presumably just piled them into the state funded private jet.
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What's next Joph? A politician gives up the motorcade and rides a public bus and you want to charge them with corruption for expensing bus tickets for their kids?
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You guys really are digging for this one, aren't you?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Paskil wrote:
How many ads could that money buy?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
17k in per diem to sleep at home? ahhahahahahhahaha
Alaska government is worse than Hawaii when it comes to travel I guess! I've been asked to somehow get some expenses into travel reimbursements but their fiscal officer must be an idiot or her cousin or something.
I don't really care what her kids do or whether they surgically attach themselves to her to be close, you want them to go, you pay for it yourself. Otherwise, just draw the damn raffle tickets on their behalf.
Alaska government is worse than Hawaii when it comes to travel I guess! I've been asked to somehow get some expenses into travel reimbursements but their fiscal officer must be an idiot or her cousin or something.
I don't really care what her kids do or whether they surgically attach themselves to her to be close, you want them to go, you pay for it yourself. Otherwise, just draw the damn raffle tickets on their behalf.
Hmmm, when we were on the road our hourly employees only got a $30 per diem...
Of course, I got the charge everything to the company, so it was easy to sneak some drinks onto a bill if I ordered an appetizer at the beginning of the evening. Though in the end I never averaged more than 30 dollars per day, even with the drinks factored in.
Of course, I got the charge everything to the company, so it was easy to sneak some drinks onto a bill if I ordered an appetizer at the beginning of the evening. Though in the end I never averaged more than 30 dollars per day, even with the drinks factored in.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Paskil wrote:
There's also the nice little article about the $150,000 paid in expenses by the RNC on clothes. Granted people need clothing, but $150,000? Seriously can't get decent clothes at a decent boutique and keep that number lower? How many ads could that money buy? It's their prerogative to spend their warchest on what they will, but if I knew that any money I donated to a political party was to be spent on fashion accessories, I wouldn't bother.
It takes a lot of lipstick.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
How many politicians bring their kids along for various things? Was that race an official event? Was she there as the Governor of Alaska? Just because her husband was competing doesn't change things.
Did the Clintons pay rent for Chelsea's room in the White House? Did they pay for the cars used to drive her around? Didn't she tag along with her mom on a trip through Europe? How much did they pay out of their pockets for that? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!!!
Are any of you seriously trying to argue that this is the first time you've heard that elected officials and their families get stuff paid for them, especially when you deal with executive offices which often come with mansions for them to live in while they serve their term?
Wow! Alert the media. Martha and the kids are living on the countries expense. Better impeach Washington!
Sorry. It's just that absurd...
Did the Clintons pay rent for Chelsea's room in the White House? Did they pay for the cars used to drive her around? Didn't she tag along with her mom on a trip through Europe? How much did they pay out of their pockets for that? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!!!
Are any of you seriously trying to argue that this is the first time you've heard that elected officials and their families get stuff paid for them, especially when you deal with executive offices which often come with mansions for them to live in while they serve their term?
Wow! Alert the media. Martha and the kids are living on the countries expense. Better impeach Washington!
Sorry. It's just that absurd...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Did the Clintons pay rent for Chelsea's room in the White House? Did they pay for the cars used to drive her around? Didn't she tag along with her mom on a trip through Europe? How much did they pay out of their pockets for that?
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Are any of you seriously trying to argue that this is the first time you've heard that elected officials and their families get stuff paid for them
The problem isn't some shitty strawman about "People get stuff paid for them!" It's a real problem where Palin was passing off her kids' trips as "business expenses" to avoid her obligation to pay for them on occassions where they were not required for official business. If it was as simple as "People get stuff for free!" then there wouldn't have been an obligation for Palin to pay for the kids and no reason for her to falsely mark the kids as a business expense.
If you think it's not a big deal, it'd be a lot more sincere to just say "I don't care if Palin is skimming from the state" than to keep inventing retarded strawman arguments to justify Palin's skimming.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Was the race an official event? It was when she declared it so:
teh article you didn't read wrote:
In February 2007, the three girls flew from Juneau to Anchorage on Alaska Airlines. Palin charged the state for the $519.30 round-trip ticket for each girl, and noted on the expense form that the daughters accompanied her to "open the start of the Iron Dog race."
The children and their mother then watched as Todd Palin and other racers started the competition, which Todd won that year. Palin later had the relevant expense forms changed to describe the girls' business as "First Family official starter for the start of the Iron Dog race."
The children and their mother then watched as Todd Palin and other racers started the competition, which Todd won that year. Palin later had the relevant expense forms changed to describe the girls' business as "First Family official starter for the start of the Iron Dog race."
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
It says a lot that she went back and edited the reports after they were requested. To me that says she knew something would need answering.
Remember when the Republicans were all in a tizzy over Edwards' $400 haircut? I wonder if John ever spent $150,000 on clothes in a month.
Surely, the Republicans will soon be all over Palin for her vanity!
Surely, the Republicans will soon be all over Palin for her vanity!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I don't even spent $150 on clothes in a year.
(Sewing your own stuff from patterns helps sometimes.)
(Sewing your own stuff from patterns helps sometimes.)
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