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#1 Oct 20 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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The link is an article that has the breakdown of the US newspaper's presidential endorsements.

I did not start this thread to cry liberal media (because Obama has a 3-1 edge), but only to say that the fact that these newspapers are choosing a side is just simply wrong. This is also why I do not ever watch Fox news (or TMZ for that matter). Can I just get my news from a completely non-biased source, so that I may form my own opinion?
#2 Oct 20 2008 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Newspapers' editors always choose candidates to endorse. It's been that way for hundreds of years, as far as I know.

I didn't follow the link, but are you saying the newspapers endorsed candidates aside from the editorial page?

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#3 Oct 20 2008 at 11:31 AM Rating: Default
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Choosing a side does not necessitate bias.
#4 Oct 20 2008 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
Choosing a side does not necessitate bias.
the fUck? Smiley: dubious
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#5 Oct 20 2008 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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calindc wrote:
Can I just get my news from a completely non-biased source, so that I may form my own opinion?


Also - a non-biased source is not humanly possible when discussing something as personal and subjective as politics. By endorsing a candidate, the paper is at least letting readers know which way the editors are leaning so you can factor that in as you read.

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#6 Oct 20 2008 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Newspapers' editors always choose candidates to endorse. It's been that way for hundreds of years, as far as I know.

I didn't follow the link, but are you saying the newspapers endorsed candidates aside from the editorial page?



Newspapers

Editors I can accept and understand, because they are individuals whose whole written word is based on informed opinion and they are upfront about it. However, when the newspaper as a whole supports any side, how can I trust their print to be "just the facts"?
#7 Oct 20 2008 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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calindc wrote:
Can I just get my news from a completely non-biased source, so that I may form my own opinion?


Also - a non-biased source is not humanly possible when discussing something as personal and subjective as politics. By endorsing a candidate, the paper is at least letting readers know which way the editors are leaning so you can factor that in as you read.



I realize editors, proofreaders, and all the rest of the staff have their own strong opinions and morals, but doesn't journalism require some amount of purity intergrity when reporting the news.
#8 Oct 20 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Endorsements come from the newspapers' editorial boards. So it's a collaborative decision. However, it's just the newspaper's opinion (and is printed on the opinion page) and doesn't, by itself, reflect a bias in the newspaper's reporting.
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#9 Oct 20 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, let's take a sampling, shall we?

NY Daily News: They're talking about editorials.

Nothing like a nice panic over nothing at all.

There it is, clearly labeled as "Editorials".

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#10 Oct 20 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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It just goes to show that people from all walks of life have had enough of the Republicans.

Journalists included.

Cant say I blame them.
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#11 Oct 20 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Nobby wrote:
the fUck? Smiley: dubious

Bias is an inclination that goes beyond being impartial, prejudice.
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calindc wrote:
I realize editors, proofreaders, and all the rest of the staff have their own strong opinions and morals, but doesn't journalism require some amount of purity intergrity when reporting the news.
Editors write editorials all the time. Each time they do, they're arguably showing some measure of bias about whatever topic: a school referendum, whether a police commissioner should step down, whether or not a town should approve zoning for a new skating rink, etc.

I imagine it's impossible to work with the news every day and not develop opinions on things. The editorial page gives them a chance to express those thoughts in a place where you know it's just an opinion.
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Allegory wrote:
Nobby wrote:
the fUck? Smiley: dubious

Bias is an inclination that goes beyond being impartial, prejudice.
Isn't it a coincidence that the editorials and overall tone of writers happens to coincide with the political affiliations of the newspapers' owners?

Spooky really.
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I never claimed that any specific paper was not biased, but that they are not biased necessarily. Further, being unbiased does not mean treating all ideas equally, but treating all ideas as potentially equal and then judging them based on merit.
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Nobby wrote:
Isn't it a coincidence that the editorials and overall tone of writers happens to coincide with the political affiliations of the newspapers' owners?
Prior to endorsing Obama, the Chicago Tribune had never endorsed a Democrat for president in their 160 year history. The Trib's no Wall Street Journal but it is a pretty right slanting paper.

Before the obvious "Yeah, but Obama's from Illinois!", that "no Democrats" included Illinois governor Adlai Stevenson's presidental runs in 1952 and 1956.
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#16 Oct 20 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Well, let's take a sampling, shall we?

NY Daily News: They're talking about editorials.

Nothing like a nice panic over nothing at all.

There it is, clearly labeled as "Editorials".



I agree that all people, especially the media (who are entrenched on the forefronts of the political battles) should voice their opinion and in the section clearly labeled as Editorial is very appropriate. However, their opionions should not spill over into the front pages and in no way should an entire newspaper publicly or privately lean to any side.
#17 Oct 20 2008 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Nobby wrote:
Isn't it a coincidence that the editorials and overall tone of writers happens to coincide with the political affiliations of the newspapers' owners?
Prior to endorsing Obama, the Chicago Tribune had never endorsed a Democrat for president in their 160 year history. The Trib's no Wall Street Journal but it is a pretty right slanting paper.

In the 10 years I've been reading it, I've always felt that the Tribune had a pretty good split of right-vs-left views expressed in the non-Editorial sections of the paper. And when looking at featured daily columnists and opinion section pages, the big ones with their photos in the paper, it has seemed more left in numbers. It may just be that the editorial board does a better job exercising restraint than, say, Rupert Murdoch.

#18 Oct 20 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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calindc wrote:
Samira wrote:
Well, let's take a sampling, shall we?

NY Daily News: They're talking about editorials.

Nothing like a nice panic over nothing at all.

There it is, clearly labeled as "Editorials".



I agree that all people, especially the media (who are entrenched on the forefronts of the political battles) should voice their opinion and in the section clearly labeled as Editorial is very appropriate. However, their opionions should not spill over into the front pages and in no way should an entire newspaper publicly or privately lean to any side.

Well the editorial section is where those endorsements you complained about in the OP are contained. The link doesn't say anything about bias infecting the rest of the paper.

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calindc wrote:

However, their opionions should not spill over into the front pages and in no way should an entire newspaper publicly or privately lean to any side.


Also, money should grow on trees, all women should be as beautiful as Charlize Theron, and peace and justice should flourish all the world over.

Oh, and pie... pie from the sky.
#20 Oct 20 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also want to add two points:

1) Obama is leading in the national polls, so it's not absurd for him to be leading in newspaper endorsements.

2) Newspeople are intellectuals (or aspire to be), so why would it surprise anyone that they would side with the party that supports intellectualism, as opposed to the one that mocks and flouts it?





Edited, Oct 20th 2008 3:23pm by trickybeck
#21 Oct 20 2008 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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calindc wrote:
Samira wrote:
Well, let's take a sampling, shall we?

NY Daily News: They're talking about editorials.

Nothing like a nice panic over nothing at all.

There it is, clearly labeled as "Editorials".



I agree that all people, especially the media (who are entrenched on the forefronts of the political battles) should voice their opinion and in the section clearly labeled as Editorial is very appropriate. However, their opionions should not spill over into the front pages and in no way should an entire newspaper publicly or privately lean to any side.

Well the editorial section is where those endorsements you complained about in the OP are contained. The link doesn't say anything about bias infecting the rest of the paper.



While this is true, the fact that thier own newspapers are allowing their editorial staff to represent them as a whole can be very misleading.

Martin Dunn, Editorial Director or the NY Daily News endorses Sen. Obama.

vs.

NY Daily News endorses Sen. Obama.

When the news organization themselves allows this to be interchangable it undermines their own journalistic integrity.

#22 Oct 20 2008 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, you just have no idea how newspaper endorsements work. We get it.

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#23 Oct 20 2008 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
So, you just have no idea how newspaper endorsements work. We get it.

this
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#24 Oct 20 2008 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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So, you just have no idea how newspaper endorsements work. We get it.



Apparently not.

Enlighten please.
#25gbaji, Posted: Oct 20 2008 at 12:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's a circular and assumptive argument. Given that your concept of what represents an "intellectual" position on an issue is almost certainly influenced by the very media you're talking about, you can't actually say anything more than "Folks in the media agree with Liberals more than Conservatives".
#26 Oct 20 2008 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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calindc wrote:
Samira wrote:
So, you just have no idea how newspaper endorsements work. We get it.



Apparently not.

Enlighten please.


Scroll up. The editorial staff will put their little heads together and come up with an endorsement (or occasionally if there's no consensus they'll do a Point/Counterpoint type split endorsement), which the managing editor typically writes.

It's on the Op/Ed page, because that's where it belongs. Nevertheless the paper itself is said to have endorsed the candidate because journalistic types are all about brevity of style.

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