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#52 Oct 21 2008 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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On the marriage issue, I am against same-sex marriage. Not only has it been proven that for a child they fare much better in life when they have the father / mother experience.


Cite please?

Pretty much every study done on the subject has shown that children of gay couples do just as well as children of straight couples.
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#53 Oct 21 2008 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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I'd like to congratulate the judges on picking this pillock who looks like he has deservedly won hands down against some pretty stiff local competition. Smiley: clap


Only because varrus didn't post in this thread. Smiley: oyvey


Are you being facetious? I've been assuming that Virus got tired of being unrated and created his umpteenth sock in the form of Amor-whatever.
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The next candidate who says "wall street and main street" and "joe the @#%^ing plumber" in the same sentance is getting nuked from orbit.

That is all.


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#55 Oct 21 2008 at 7:06 AM Rating: Decent
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If marriage is a secular institution, then should our government ban all religions that openly accept gay marriage?


Are you asking for my opinion? Of course not. Why? Because they're separate. Marriage and religion, gay-ness and religion, church and state. Allllllll separate.



Church and state are not seperate. Should they be? yes. Are they? no

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Now, if you want to argue that the government can disallow gay marriage IF they remove all the secular, state-sponsored advantages of heterosexual marriage, like tax breaks and guardianship and assumed inheritance and immunity from compelled testimony against each other, well, then we can talk.


This was what I was referring too. If our state and federal government (mostly, there are a few growing exceptions) refuse to recongize same sex marriage based solely on religious idealogies, then should these same people not legally recongnize the religions that allow gay marriage? If my religion believes in gay marriage, how is it more right or more wrong then the ones that influeneces our governments decisions?
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#56 Oct 21 2008 at 7:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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calindc wrote:
Church and state are not seperate. Should they be? yes. Are they? no


I believe you mean to say that religion and government are not entirely separate, which is true. There is, however, no state church.

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Samira wrote:
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Church and state are not seperate. Should they be? yes. Are they? no


I believe you mean to say that religion and government are not entirely separate, which is true. There is, however, no state church.



I bet many same sex couples who cannot marry may disagree with that, however since I am not in a gay relationship, I will not speak for them.

Every time I have a conversation who is opposed to gay marriage, they always throw out the "sanctity of marriage" phrase. Always.
No single religion should influence a government in which it's society is made up of a melting pot of theologies.
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#58 Oct 21 2008 at 7:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I feel like you're not understanding me but I'm not sure how to rephrase.

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Yeah, I feel like you're not understanding me but I'm not sure how to rephrase.



I am aware that the pope doesn't have a chair in the oval office, but church and state are not seprerated. They are more like an old contankerous married couple; they should have divorced many years ago, but somehow they stayed together because that's how its always been.
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#60 Oct 21 2008 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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calindc wrote:
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Yeah, I feel like you're not understanding me but I'm not sure how to rephrase.



I am aware that the pope doesn't have a chair in the oval office, but church and state are not seprerated. They are more like an old contankerous married couple; they should have divorced many years ago, but somehow they stayed together because that's how its always been.
A state church is one that is officially endorsed by the state. That's very different from a government being run by religious fundamentals.

And, for the record, if the U.S. did have a state church, it probably wouldn't be Catholic. Smiley: schooled
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Yeah, I feel like you're not understanding me but I'm not sure how to rephrase.



I am aware that the pope doesn't have a chair in the oval office, but church and state are not seprerated. They are more like an old contankerous married couple; they should have divorced many years ago, but somehow they stayed together because that's how its always been.
A state church is one that is officially endorsed by the state. That's very different from a government being run by religious fundamentals.

And, for the record, if the U.S. did have a state church, it probably wouldn't be Catholic. Smiley: schooled


True, but what's the real difference when a couple cannot legally marry because of religious restrictions.



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#62 Oct 21 2008 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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It may seem like semantics, but law is predicated on semantics.

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#63 Oct 21 2008 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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calindc wrote:
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Yeah, I feel like you're not understanding me but I'm not sure how to rephrase.



I am aware that the pope doesn't have a chair in the oval office, but church and state are not seprerated. They are more like an old contankerous married couple; they should have divorced many years ago, but somehow they stayed together because that's how its always been.
A state church is one that is officially endorsed by the state. That's very different from a government being run by religious fundamentals.

And, for the record, if the U.S. did have a state church, it probably wouldn't be Catholic. Smiley: schooled


True, but what's the real difference when a couple cannot legally marry because of religious restrictions.
Words have meaning, dear. Words have meaning. Precision in language improves communication. It's a good thing for us as people and as a society.

Religious influence on the state is an issue that is currently at the forefront of political debate.

State religion is an issue that was resolved in the U.S. in the 1890s when Utah was admitted to the union.

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#64 Oct 21 2008 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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'Swhat I SAID!

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It may seem like semantics, but law is predicated on semantics.



I would hate to wait on the law and it's predicated semantics to realize it is the 21st century and recongize that marriage is more then waking up next to someone with different genitals then you.

I agree semantics is just semantics and some people will hold on to them until you pry it from their cold dead hands.
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#66 Oct 21 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Okay, maybe Mindel said it better after all. Smiley: motz

I can't tell whether you're trolling, or whether you just lack context to understand my point.

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#67 Oct 21 2008 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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MA:

Question 1: Slash the income tax from 5% to 2.65%

Question 2: Decriminalize pot so that possession of up to 1oz is a $100 fine and forfeiture of said pot.

Question 3: Ban dog racing in MA as of 2010.

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/elepip08/pip081.htm

Question 1 seems really interesting but I'm worried that a passing vote will only hurt the budget thats already in bad shape from the MBTA and Big Dig

Question 2 makes sense because it will save a ton on court fees and also bring money back into the state.

Question 3: I hope happens because I feel really bad for the dogs.
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#68 Oct 21 2008 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Okay, maybe Mindel said it better after all. Smiley: motz

I can't tell whether you're trolling, or whether you just lack context to understand my point.



I am not trolling. I understand what you are saying. I certainly do not mean to be frustrating.

All I am trying to say is this:

For example, if I say I am not Christain, but I live a Christain influenced life. I allow my Christain influences to assist me in making everyday decisions that affect the ones that are around me. However, when asked, I will always deny any Christain affiliation, but you undoubtably know it is within me.

Am I, or am I not a Christain?

I say yes, you may or may not say no. I respect both opionions.
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#69 Oct 21 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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I love Jesus. Jesus loves me and wants me to be a happy ***** girl. You are violating the first commandment, sparky. Smiley: mad
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#70REDACTED, Posted: Oct 21 2008 at 9:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Society is better served if the gays would just get back in their closet.
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#71 Oct 21 2008 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Okay, thanks for that fine example of reactionary fear and loathing.

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#72 Oct 21 2008 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Society is better served if the gays would just get back in their closet.

Homosexuality is a SIN against God. It doesnt matter what you say or think, its in the bible. America is a country that boast an 85% Christain majority. Of the remaining 15%, 12% of those believe in God, just not Christ ie, jews muslim etc. Only 3% of the population is aethiest. Im sure the 97% majority that believe in God have got it all wrong.

There is no gay gene. Homosexuality is a choice and a bad choice at that. Even if I wanna say there are some genes out of whack, it would than be a birth defect. If homosexuality is a birth defect, well there are alot worse ones out there.

Homosexuality is not accepted here, it is tolerated. Tolerance is not a good thing. Take a stand.
You will fit in well here. Smiley: thumbsup
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#73 Oct 21 2008 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Okay, thanks for that fine example of reactionary fear and loathing.
That was truly delightful, wasn't it?
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#74 Oct 21 2008 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Question 1: Slash the income tax from 5% to 2.65%

Question 2: Decriminalize pot so that possession of up to 1oz is a $100 fine and forfeiture of said pot.

Question 3: Ban dog racing in MA as of 2010.



Question one is stupid and I hope it doesn't pass since I'd like to be able to afford to buy a house there without the property taxes going through the damn roof. Question two is a step in the right direction. Question three is good.

I don't get to vote there yet...I just get to watch the commercials and people discussing the issues when I'm visiting, haha.

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vanelr wrote:
It doesnt matter what you say or think, its in the bible.


Give me an exact Book and Verse where it says that.

Edited, Oct 21st 2008 12:25pm by Kaelesh
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Kaelesh wrote:
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It doesnt matter what you say or think, its in the bible.


Give me an exact Book and Verse where it says that.

Edited, Oct 21st 2008 12:25pm by Kaelesh
I get tired of answering this for people. Yes, it's in the bible. Leviticus 18:22. It doesn't apply to rug nibblers like me, though. Apparently Jebus lurves the lesbians. Smiley: schooled

Edited, Oct 21st 2008 1:27pm by Mindel
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