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#27 Oct 20 2008 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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For Washington State, we have one big one and a couple of lame ones

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Initiative Measure No. 1000 concerns allowing certain terminally ill competent adults to obtain lethal prescriptions.

This measure would permit terminally ill, competent, adult Washington residents, who are medically predicted to have six months or less to live, to request and self-administer lethal medication prescribed by a physician.


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Initiative Measure No. 985 concerns transportation.

This measure would open high-occupancy vehicle lanes to all traffic during specified hours, require traffic light synchronization, increase roadside assistance funding, and dedicate certain taxes, fines, tolls and other revenues to traffic-flow purposes.


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Initiative Measure No. 1029 concerns long-term care services for the elderly and persons with disabilities.

This measure would require long-term care workers to be certified as home care aides based on an examination, with exceptions; increase training and criminal background check requirements; and establish disciplinary standards and procedures.


For King Country, we have one interesting one, and a bunch of lame ones
Only one I care about is a large-*** public transporation bill
Others are discrimination and election party regulations. bleh.

For Seattle, there's two:
Pike Place Market renovation levy - Also on their website, but it's all Flash, blech
A public parks one -- biased as hell source, but I dunno an official one




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I expect an offer this week. The chief pilot has told my buddy (who got me the intro) he was going to give me the job. Now I wait. Still.

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I'm sure I'm just noticing them more lately, but there have been two or three medical helicopter crashes in the news lately. Africa may be safer!

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#30 Oct 20 2008 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure I'm just noticing them more lately, but there have been two or three medical helicopter crashes in the news lately. Africa may be safer!



Hmm... I heard about one just a couple days ago on the radio going to work. Then I saw a medical helicopter fly overtop me heading towards the hospital, it was a weird moment.
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#31REDACTED, Posted: Oct 20 2008 at 5:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) On the marriage issue, I am against same-sex marriage. Not only has it been proven that for a child they fare much better in life when they have the father / mother experience. That is the side rationale, but the main point is, marriage is tied to religion. You cannot untie the two, that is why they have a priest commune the ceremony, and they use the bible.
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#35 Oct 20 2008 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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On the marriage issue, I am against same-sex marriage. Not only has it been proven that for a child they fare much better in life when they have the father / mother experience. That is the side rationale, but the main point is, marriage is tied to religion. You cannot untie the two, that is why they have a priest commune the ceremony, and they use the bible.


No, it hasn't. And no, it isn't.
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#36 Oct 20 2008 at 6:31 PM Rating: Good
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AmorTonight wrote:
You cannot untie the two, that is why they have a priest commune the ceremony, and they use the bible.


Except when you go to a court and just sign the documents. Marriage is not exclusive to religion. A christian wedding is just one type of wedding. Very narrow viewpoint.

Remember, the "power vested in me" is by the state/government. God is tacted on these days for religious purposes. The document is legally binding, and in our government God is not anyone with power.

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#37 Oct 20 2008 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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AmorTonight said :

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On the marriage issue, I am against same-sex marriage. Not only has it been proven that for a child they fare much better in life when they have the father / mother experience. That is the side rationale, but the main point is, marriage is tied to religion. You cannot untie the two, that is why they have a priest commune the ceremony, and they use the bible........etc.


Did you guys have a 'Village Idiot', competition that I managed to miss??

I'd like to congratulate the judges on picking this pillock who looks like he has deservedly won hands down against some pretty stiff local competition. Smiley: clap
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#38 Oct 20 2008 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to congratulate the judges on picking this pillock who looks like he has deservedly won hands down against some pretty stiff local competition. Smiley: clap


Only because varrus didn't post in this thread. Smiley: oyvey
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#39REDACTED, Posted: Oct 20 2008 at 6:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Annabella are you saying, that one could grow up without a significant influence from the opposite sex?
#40REDACTED, Posted: Oct 20 2008 at 6:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tirith, I don't believe in god, so, that point is moot, but, marriage is whether you like it or not tied to religion and religion does not recognize same sex marriage.
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#41 Oct 20 2008 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Tirith, I don't believe in god, so, that point is moot, but, marriage is whether you like it or not tied to religion and religion does not recognize same sex marriage.


Legal marriage is entirely secular. Religion shouldn't have any say in it. Your point is moot.
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#42 Oct 20 2008 at 6:56 PM Rating: Good
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No, you're not imagining it, nor are you simply noticing helicopter crashes in the news more than usual. It has been a brutal year for crashes, deaths, and stupid errors by pilots. If I could demonstrate the incidences of aircraft accidents this years compared to years past with a graph, it'd show a massive spike that'd make even Bhodi's a$$ gulp with fear.

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#43 Oct 20 2008 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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AmorTonight wrote:
Annabella are you saying, that one could grow up without a significant influence from the opposite sex?



No, but that's not what you are saying.
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#44 Oct 21 2008 at 4:00 AM Rating: Good
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AmorTonight wrote:
Tirith, I don't believe in god, so, that point is moot, but, marriage is whether you like it or not tied to religion and religion does not recognize same sex marriage.


Only in a symbolic sense.

You are actually married when you sign the certificate.

Sorry Bob, you lose again. Smiley: frown
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Tirith, I don't believe in god, so, that point is moot, but, marriage is whether you like it or not tied to religion and religion does not recognize same sex marriage.
There are plenty of religious groups that perform same-sex marriages every day.
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AmorTonight wrote:
Tirith, I don't believe in god, so, that point is moot, but, marriage is whether you like it or not tied to religion and religion does not recognize same sex marriage.
There are plenty of religious groups that perform same-sex marriages every day.
Even...gasp...Christian ones.
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#47 Oct 21 2008 at 5:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just from my life experience, having a female and male figure in my development growing up helped me shape who I am today


And we see how well that turned out.

Look, sure it's ideal for a kid to be around adults of both sexes, assuming they're positive influences and role models. No one is saying otherwise.

But those adults don't have to be in the same household, right? Plenty of healthy kids are raised by single parents. Doesn't mean they're raised in isolation by that parent and the television and no other influence.

And yeah, marriage as defined is a secular institution. If it weren't the religious trappings would have to be present, which obviously they aren't always; moreover they'd have to be somewhat standard.

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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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AmorTonight wrote:
Tirith, I don't believe in god, so, that point is moot, but, marriage is whether you like it or not tied to religion and religion does not recognize same sex marriage.
There are plenty of religious groups that perform same-sex marriages every day.
Even...gasp...Christian ones.


This issue has always perplexed me. This issue with the "Sanctity of Marriage" when concerning same-sex marriage. Is it the ceremony that some have the problem with? Or the legal binding (the actual certificate itself)?

If it is the religious ceremony in which the couple has chosen, with all our different denominations and beliefs (some welcoming same sex, some not), who are our politicians to say which is right and which is wrong?

If is it the legal binding, why cannot an adult couple not share the same rights and privileges concerning benefits, divorce, next of kin, etc. They have chosen each other and share the same expectations, heartaches, and enjoyments out of it, as marriage should be. How is a man and a man waking up next to each other legally different then a man and a woman?

Is it that they cannot give birth traditionally? Should infertile couples be banned from marriage too?

Can someone please give me a reasonable explanation why the "Sanctity of Marriage" must be isolated and protected?
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Just from my life experience, having a female and male figure in my development growing up helped me shape who I am today


And we see how well that turned out.

Look, sure it's ideal for a kid to be around adults of both sexes, assuming they're positive influences and role models. No one is saying otherwise.

But those adults don't have to be in the same household, right? Plenty of healthy kids are raised by single parents. Doesn't mean they're raised in isolation by that parent and the television and no other influence.

And yeah, marriage as defined is a secular institution. If it weren't the religious trappings would have to be present, which obviously they aren't always; moreover they'd have to be somewhat standard.



If marriage is a secular institution, then should our government ban all religions that openly accept gay marriage?
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The next candidate who says "wall street and main street" and "joe the ******* plumber" in the same sentance is getting nuked from orbit.

That is all.
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#51 Oct 21 2008 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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If marriage is a secular institution, then should our government ban all religions that openly accept gay marriage?


Are you asking for my opinion? Of course not. Why? Because they're separate. Marriage and religion, gay-ness and religion, church and state. Allllllll separate.

Now, if you want to argue that the government can disallow gay marriage IF they remove all the secular, state-sponsored advantages of heterosexual marriage, like tax breaks and guardianship and assumed inheritance and immunity from compelled testimony against each other, well, then we can talk.

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