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#1 Oct 19 2008 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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Michigan, Proposal 2 (There is some comment on them by another person, but I just used the page for the proposal and amendment.)

I'm all for this proposal, and plan on voting Yes.

The ads on TV that are pushing the No vote are severely misguided and down right lying. I just saw one on TV that said "They are going to let scientists mix Human and Cow DNA" and showed a human/cow creature in the audience raise its hand in the air to oppose the idea.

Ignorance like that just pisses me off.

The other one talks about this proposal causing a raise in taxes, and some other ****. I just wish that the Yes supporters were more active in their ads to push back these lies and mis-truths that are slandering legitimate research. The only Yes ad I have seen is one that denies the tax increase lies from the No ads.
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#2 Oct 19 2008 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
From TN, but living in Florida atm...

We are going to have six ballot initiatives this time around.

Some of them are good are will most likely get voted in (like Amendment 4 - land that is set aside for conservation will no longer have to have taxes paid upon it), and some are mixed in popularity or ability to get passed (removing a part of the constitution that gives the legislative body the power to regulate/ban aliens from owning property or receiving inheritance, or defining marriage as between a woman and a man and not recognizing civil unions or anything else).

Pretty standard election-year stuff.

We at least didn't have that one initiative that would cut property taxes by an average of 25% and that would also eliminate property taxes that school districts are required to levy in order to get state aid. Smiley: oyvey
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#3 Oct 19 2008 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Illinois gets to vote on whether or not to call a Constitutional Convention to amend our State Constitution. I'm of the mind that it's not needed, as a convention is rather pointless when other more effective means exist, but I still find it cool I get to vote on whether to hold one or not, as the vote only occurs every 20 years.

Other than that, we get to vote on whether or not to enact legislation allowing concealed weapons. Fun stuff.
#4 Oct 19 2008 at 9:27 PM Rating: Default
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Prop 8, gay marriage in California.

I'm voting for it, to keep gays from getting special privileges when concerning marriage. Sorry, Bhodi, but if you want to marry another gay, you'll have to settle for a lesbian.

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#5 Oct 19 2008 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Totem wrote:
I'm voting for it, to keep gays from getting special privileges when concerning marriage.


Why do you hate gay people? Smiley: frown

In Wisconsin, there is nothing really interesting on a state level November 4. Just the usual hodgepodge of local school referendums etc. April 1 gave the Wisconsin people the chance to get rid of the so called Frankenstein Veto--abused by both left and right--which was basically an over-glorified line item veto. It allowed governors to cross out letters, words, numbers, and sentences to create completely new letters, words, numbers, and sentences. It soundly passed on a 3-1 margin.

Edited, Oct 20th 2008 2:40am by Paskil
#6 Oct 19 2008 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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April 1 gave the Wisconsin people the chance to get rid of the so called Frankenstein Veto--abused by both left and right--which was basically an over-glorified line item veto. It allowed governors to cross out letters, words, numbers, and sentences to create completely new letters, words, numbers, and sentences. It soundly passed on a 3-1 margin.
That could have been interesting in the "right" hands, though.

Just imagine:

"The state shall set aside the sum of $140 million dollars for the enforcement and training of copyright lawyers."

could have become:

"The state shall set aside the sum of $140 million dollars for the enforcement and training of copyright lawyers."

Or, shorter:

"The state shall set aside 140 lions to eat copyright lawyers."
#7 Oct 19 2008 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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Colorado Amendment 48

If this is passed, it can have implications for both sides. It was the hardest one to vote on when I did my mail-in ballot.
#8 Oct 20 2008 at 3:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm voting for it, to keep gays from getting special privileges when concerning marriage.
How about if they got the same privileges at straight people?
#9 Oct 20 2008 at 3:44 AM Rating: Good
So far as I know, we've got a short one. The Presidential election, U.S. Senate, the County Board, the School Board, and of course Big Bad Jimmy Moran is up for re-election. Say what you will, but a U.S. Congressman publicly blaming Israel for Iraq; now that's a real mav-rick.
#10 Oct 20 2008 at 4:23 AM Rating: Good
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Missouri gets to vote on whether to eliminate our unique gambler limit laws. You can't lose more than $500 in an hour or something like that in MO casinos. They'll stop letting you play.
#11 Oct 20 2008 at 4:47 AM Rating: Good
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In Maryland we are voting on allowing early voting and bring Slots into the state in hope the states share of the gambling money will help pay for some of the budget.

I figure that since 4 of the states nears us all have buses taking people to slots parlors, we may has well keep their money at home.
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#12 Oct 20 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Default
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I have nothing against gay people. I just object to extra-special rights for a particular segment of society. Look, gays are free to marry. Just because they wish to marry someone they mayn't doesn't mean that they should. I, for one, am not allowed to marry another wife, nor may I marry a man, but am I complaining? Nope. Gays just need to accept that that is their lot in life and get over it.

Like I said about Bhodi, if he wants to marry another gay, there's plenty of lezzies out there he can buy a ring for.

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#13 Oct 20 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
I saw one on TV this morning talking about a worker's right to choose if they want to be union or not. I come from a right to work state, and people have to remember we don't live in the 19th century any more. Sure, they can fire you for any or no reason at all, but they don't really do that kind of crap any more. They still have higher-ups to explain things to.
#14 Oct 20 2008 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
Totem wrote:
I have nothing against gay people. I just object to extra-special rights for a particular segment of society. Look, gays are free to marry. Just because they wish to marry someone they mayn't doesn't mean that they should. I, for one, am not allowed to marry another wife, nor may I marry a man, but am I complaining? Nope. Gays just need to accept that that is their lot in life and get over it.
And what exactly makes the man-woman dynamic so important that it is allowed while a same-sex dynamic is not? It makes absolutely no sense when you remove the religious or quasi-religious overtones from it.
#15 Oct 20 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Because I said so. Look, gays can get married.

Think of it this way: You're at a burger stand. Everyone is in line for a burger, but you want a taco. Well, sorry, but they don't serve tacos at the burger stand. You want a taco, go to where they make tacos, like France or sumptin. But here you get burgers. Nothin' but burgers. No tacos, just burgers. No one is stopping you from getting a burger, but you just can't have a taco here. Nothing wrong with tacos if you happen to like tacos, but this is a burger stand and they don't makes tacos here.

Capise?

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#16 Oct 20 2008 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
Because I said so. Look, gays can get married.

Think of it this way: You're at a burger stand. Everyone is in line for a burger, but you want a taco. Well, sorry, but they don't serve tacos at the burger stand. You want a taco, go to where they make tacos, like France or sumptin. But here you get burgers. Nothin' but burgers. No tacos, just burgers. No one is stopping you from getting a burger, but you just can't have a taco here. Nothing wrong with tacos if you happen to like tacos, but this is a burger stand and they don't makes tacos here.

Capise?

:D

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'Merica isn't selling anything though. Its not a burger stand, its a public park. You can eat both burgers and tacos there. Smiley: schooled
#17 Oct 20 2008 at 10:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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"Gays can get married! Just not to anyone they'd want to marry. What's the problem?" is about the lamest excuse for a stance I've ever heard.

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#18 Oct 20 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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"Want" is a relative term. Fully half of heterosexual couples don't want to be married shortly after they say "I do."

Nothing's stopping the gays from being married. They just want to be married in a way that is not allowed, just as I'm not allowed to be married to two or twenty Mrs. Totems. One is awesome, so multiple Missus Totems would be stupendous. But it just ain't allowed. Why? Because this is a burger joint. No tacos are sold here. Bur-gers. B-U-R-G-E-R-S. And that's just the way it is.

Totem
#19 Oct 20 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Excellent
Totem wrote:
"Want" is a relative term. Fully half of heterosexual couples don't want to be married shortly after they say "I do."

Nothing's stopping the gays from being married. They just want to be married in a way that is not allowed, just as I'm not allowed to be married to two or twenty Mrs. Totems. One is awesome, so multiple Missus Totems would be stupendous. But it just ain't allowed. Why? Because this is a burger joint. No tacos are sold here. Bur-gers. B-U-R-G-E-R-S. And that's just the way it is.

Totem
At least it's nice to know that your irrational stance is so openly... irrational. It's quite refreshing. Smiley: thumbsup
#20 Oct 20 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totes is a true conservative. I say that with no sarcasm or ill will.

Things shouldn't change any more than they absolutely have to, period.

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#21 Oct 20 2008 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Totes is a true conservative. I say that with no sarcasm or ill will.

Things shouldn't change any more than they absolutely have to, period.

I was being earnest as well. I can accept that position much more easily than ones backed up with all manner of spurious rationale.
#22 Oct 20 2008 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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They want to eliminate sales tax in Massachusetts. A 40% cut in our state budget could result. When they are already hacking up the state budget right now during this economic downturn, we just can't afford it.


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I have nothing against gay people. I just object to extra-special rights for a particular segment of society. Look, gays are free to marry. Just because they wish to marry someone they mayn't doesn't mean that they should. I, for one, am not allowed to marry another wife, nor may I marry a man, but am I complaining? Nope. Gays just need to accept that that is their lot in life and get over it.


You don't have to be gay to marry another man. Also, you don't have the option of marrying more than one spouse. This just eliminates gender discrimination in terms of whom you choose to have as a spouse in a legal sense.

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Nothing wrong with tacos if you happen to like tacos, but this is a burger stand and they don't makes tacos here.



I like tacos.

Edited, Oct 20th 2008 2:49pm by Annabella
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#23 Oct 20 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Things shouldn't change any more than they absolutely have to, period.

True, but almost everything has to change, because we can almost always improve.

Edited, Oct 20th 2008 2:29pm by Allegory
#24 Oct 20 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
Samira wrote:
Things shouldn't change any more than they absolutely have to, period.

True, but almost everything has to change, because we can almost always improve.

Edited, Oct 20th 2008 2:29pm by Allegory


I agree. I was describing Totem's attitude as I understand it.

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#25 Oct 20 2008 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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No joke, Sammy has encapsulated my core philosophy of life.

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#26 Oct 20 2008 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, how's the move to Africa comin' along?

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