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#52 Oct 20 2008 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Guys guys guys. Remember, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up that gets you in trouble. Watergate taught us that much.


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#54 Oct 20 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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On the contrary, Troopergate came up with ethical violations. Pretty much as expected, really.

Oh, and bipartisan. I know that just kills you, so I say it again: bipartisan.

Not all Pubbies are on board with Palin being the great white hope of the future.

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#55 Oct 20 2008 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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On the contrary, Troopergate came up with ethical violations. Pretty much as expected, really.

Oh, and bipartisan. I know that just kills you, so I say it again: bipartisan.

Not all Pubbies are on board with Palin being the great white hope of the future.

It's amazing how a bipartisan investigation that finds ethical and legal violations becomes a "liberal witch hunt that came up with nothing" in a blink of an eye. Smiley: lol
#56 Oct 20 2008 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Had they found nothing, you can bet your assets it would have been bipartisan then.

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#57 Oct 20 2008 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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#59 Oct 20 2008 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mindel,

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It's amazing how a bipartisan investigation that finds ethical and legal violations becomes a "liberal witch hunt that came up with nothing" in a blink of an eye.


What's really amazing is how you think republicans who palin fought against over big oil sided with liberal democrats is somehow bipartisan.


Not that amazing, as it turns out.

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#60 Oct 20 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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you think republicans who palin fought against over big oil sided with liberal democrats is somehow bipartisan.
Republicans must be single-issue voters.
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#61 Oct 20 2008 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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You gotta remember, in Varusland, any Republican he doesn't like is a Democrat
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#62 Oct 20 2008 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
Kinda like how anyone that doesn't agree with Michele Bachmann is now anti-American, huh?

Even Sarah Palin came out and said that was kinda stupid, in her own roundabout way. To summarize: People don't run for the Congress of the US if they aren't already pro-American.
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Kinda like how anyone that doesn't agree with Michele Bachmann is now anti-American, huh?
She has, in her purse, a list of 235 un-American congresspeople in the House of Representatives alone!
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#64REDACTED, Posted: Oct 20 2008 at 3:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Depends what your definition of Pro-American is. There have been presidential candidates who have wanted to fundamentally and radically change what America is. Is that still being Pro-American? What happened if you wanted to turn America into Russia, is that Pro-American? Too subjective.
#65 Oct 20 2008 at 3:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, it scalded the living **** out of us when the Pubbies had full control for six years.

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#66REDACTED, Posted: Oct 20 2008 at 4:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes, but at least they don't throw out fundamental american values like the democrats. Full Democrat congress and presidency is far worse than all repub, but I still don't think either party should ever be in full control it just takes out the fundamental foundation of our founding fathers of checks and balances.
#67 Oct 20 2008 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, alliteration intended :)


Actually "fundamental" "foundation" and "founding" all have the same root, (fundus, or "bottom") which basically means you just repeated the same thing three times. That's not alliteration, it's just being too stupid to come up with a different word.
#68 Oct 20 2008 at 8:51 PM Rating: Default
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Ok. Gotta pull this back a bit...

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Colin Powell has endorsed Obama. I'm sure Gbaji and Virus will attempt to spin this as somehow being a clear sign of McCain's imminent victory, but when a Republican and former Bush administration member(the one with integrity) endorses the Democratic nominee, well... that just ain't good


Colin Powell has historically voted and supported candidates across party lines. It's arguable that he's more of a political opportunist and is jumping on the bandwagon of the side he thinks will win, maybe for a possible spot in the administration. I honestly don't put much weight or import into it at all.

But then I've never been a big fan of the "OMG! Even your own guy doesn't agree with you!!!" argument. I'd point out the fallacy involved, but feel free to do your own research.

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This wasn't the first defection, conservative figures like Christopher Buckley and Christopher Hitchens went over to endorse him. I'm personally believing Andrew Sullivan will be next.

Umm, Andrew Sullivan endorsed Obama, like, over a year ago. I don't think he even identifies himself as a Republican anymore.


Er? Neat trick since he's not even a US citizen. He's a "conservative", but that's viewed from a UK perspective, which has some subtle differences.


He's another of those people who do something I find just mindbogglingly stupid: Support a candidate that is the exact opposite on 99% of your own beliefs in protest of the party closest to your beliefs not being 100% "perfect". Fortunately, since he doesn't get to vote in the US, it doesn't actually cost anything I suppose. But for exactly the same reason, it's silly to place any weight on him as "another Conservative supporting Obama!!!".
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#69 Oct 20 2008 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, alliteration intended :)

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#71 Oct 20 2008 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default
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With all the money obama has spent it's amazing his lead isn't more than 4 or 5 (depending on which poll you look at).
Yeah, but he's a Marxist Islamo-**** terrorist so it's more amazing that it's not McCain +99.

Not counting the Wilder effect so McCain should really be running +105 right now.
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#72 Oct 21 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Colin Powell has historically voted and supported candidates across party lines. It's arguable that he's more of a political opportunist and is jumping on the bandwagon of the side he thinks will win, maybe for a possible spot in the administration. I honestly don't put much weight or import into it at all.


I personally think he was torn between a candidate who he was good friends with but disagreed with on some key issues, and one he didn't know so well but thought would run the country better.

"In the summer of 2007, Powell donated the maximum to John McCain's campaign."

Powell seemed to be for McCain when he wasn't a popular candidate, I don't think he is an opportunist.

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#73 Oct 21 2008 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Powell seemed to be for McCain when he wasn't a popular candidate, I don't think he is an opportunist.


Turning on people who used to agree with you but who now dare to part ways is as close to a tradition as neocons have. See also: Peggy Noonan.

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#74 Oct 21 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
powells decision im sure is payback for the bushies throwing him under the buss with that nasty U.N. iraq breifing. they sent him into it with information they knew was bad, and the U.N. ripped him a new one because they also knew it was bad. it pretty much destroyed his integrity and influence and shredded his reputation.

perfect timing too. totally staged to get the most bang for the buck.

payback.

as for its effect, it wont change a die hard republicans mind, but it migh give a strong argument for fence sitting repubs who are fed up with what the republican machine has become. like powell and buckly illuded to, they didnt leave the republican party, it left them.

he will drag a few fence sitters with him into obamas camp. it might even make the differance if it really is a tight race like fox news says it is. personally, i think the repubs are DONE barring the bradly effect. race will be a factor, it is just how much that is in question.

right now, bigotry is all mccain has left. and again, it is not mccains fault, he is a good man. he is just being washed out the door with the rest of the trash that has been stinking up the place for the last 8 years.

hopefully, the repubs will reinvent themselves into something actually benificial to the country and make a come back. i say that as a dem because if they dont, the dems will be corrupted by then too. right now they have the moral high ground, but it wont be long before it gives away to greed. and without the repubs, we wont have a tool to fight it with.
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