It just gets louder and louder.
Colin Powell has endorsed Obama. I'm sure Gbaji and Virus will attempt to spin this as somehow being a clear sign of McCain's imminent victory, but when a Republican and former Bush administration member(the one with integrity) endorses the Democratic nominee, well... that just ain't good.
Edited, Oct 19th 2008 10:57am by Deathwysh
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McCain's death knell probably came a few hours earlier when the Obama campaign announced that they had raised $150,000,000 in September.
Unless McCain wins the election. Then it didn't.
Unless McCain wins the election. Then it didn't.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I think it's more we are seeing a lot of crypto-republicans endorsing him. Even if you disagree with mccain on moral issues or the war on iraq, not many republicans would agree with Obama's economic ideas. This wasn't the first defection, conservative figures like Christopher Buckley and Christopher Hitchens went over to endorse him. I'm personally believing Andrew Sullivan will be next.
If you believe in limited government and the free market, I think its pretty obvious that Obama is not going to adhere to it better than Mccain. He pretty much admitted it with the whole plumber response.
If you believe in limited government and the free market, I think its pretty obvious that Obama is not going to adhere to it better than Mccain. He pretty much admitted it with the whole plumber response.
The Neispace of Doom wrote:
limited government and the free market
Tain't no such thing.
Well, the USA isn't a socialist state with an economy set and controlled by the government, so I'd say yes those things exist.
The Neispace of Doom wrote:
Well, the USA isn't a socialist state with an economy set and controlled by the government, so I'd say yes those things exist.
Ah, so we must be a free market, purely capitalist economy then. Gotcha.
The Neispace of Doom wrote:
I'm personally believing Andrew Sullivan will be next.
Andrew Sullivan wrote:
He now has 3.1 million donors. McCain's response:
"History shows us where unlimited amounts of money are in political campaigns, it leads to scandal."
The scandal of a Democrat decisively out-campaigning a Republican in a general election.
"History shows us where unlimited amounts of money are in political campaigns, it leads to scandal."
The scandal of a Democrat decisively out-campaigning a Republican in a general election.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Most republicans would agree about the outcampaigning. That doesn't mean they would cross the aisles and go over to a candidate who invalidates a lot of their beliefs. It's not like obama is a better pro-life candidate than mccain, would be better on immigration, the war in iraq, lessening government involvment through privitization, etc.
There has to be some agreement based on issues, which I honestly can't see if the crossovers are republican. It's not like obama has tried to play compromise at all.
Ah, so we must be a free market, purely capitalist economy then. Gotcha.
As close to it as humanly possible. Most of the socialist stuff from the era of the depression is either breaking down (social security) or is dead (WPA.) I think you are assuming a free market economy has to be 100% laissez faire.
There has to be some agreement based on issues, which I honestly can't see if the crossovers are republican. It's not like obama has tried to play compromise at all.
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Ah, so we must be a free market, purely capitalist economy then. Gotcha.
As close to it as humanly possible. Most of the socialist stuff from the era of the depression is either breaking down (social security) or is dead (WPA.) I think you are assuming a free market economy has to be 100% laissez faire.
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This wasn't the first defection, conservative figures like Christopher Buckley and Christopher Hitchens went over to endorse him. I'm personally believing Andrew Sullivan will be next.
Umm, Andrew Sullivan endorsed Obama, like, over a year ago. I don't think he even identifies himself as a Republican anymore.
The Neispace of Doom wrote:
Most republicans would agree about the outcampaigning. That doesn't mean they would cross the aisles and go over to a candidate who invalidates a lot of their beliefs. It's not like obama is a better pro-life candidate than mccain, would be better on immigration, the war in iraq, lessening government involvment through privitization, etc.
There has to be some agreement based on issues, which I honestly can't see if the crossovers are republican. It's not like obama has tried to play compromise at all.
Ah, so we must be a free market, purely capitalist economy then. Gotcha.
As close to it as humanly possible. Most of the socialist stuff from the era of the depression is either breaking down (social security) or is dead (WPA.) I think you are assuming a free market economy has to be 100% laissez faire.
There has to be some agreement based on issues, which I honestly can't see if the crossovers are republican. It's not like obama has tried to play compromise at all.
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Ah, so we must be a free market, purely capitalist economy then. Gotcha.
As close to it as humanly possible. Most of the socialist stuff from the era of the depression is either breaking down (social security) or is dead (WPA.) I think you are assuming a free market economy has to be 100% laissez faire.
If we learn anything over the last 20 years, is that when government contract services to private firms, the cost go up. We been paying firms to handle services in Iraq, Billions and not getting our money worth.
I'm still waiting for the State of Maryland to untangle the mess McDonald Douglas made of the child support that my ex owes me. Last payment I got was in 1997 and my youngest is going to be 22 next month. I could put a nice down payment on a house with the back pay he owes me.
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when government contract services to private firms, the cost go up
As a(n Ex-)logistician in the military I see how much things cost, and for even simple things such as Hammers and nails you pay upto 3-4 times the cost from a standard retail establishment. Given that you should get a discount for bulk buying and not have to pay overheads for the cost of running a store and paying people to work in the store you should be getting it and substantially less per unit than you could buy it at said store.
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If we learn anything over the last 20 years, is that when government contract services to private firms, the cost go up. We been paying firms to handle services in Iraq, Billions and not getting our money worth.
I'm still waiting for the State of Maryland to untangle the mess McDonald Douglas made of the child support that my ex owes me. Last payment I got was in 1997 and my youngest is going to be 22 next month. I could put a nice down payment on a house with the back pay he owes me.
It's because heads wont roll if they government pays too much, because there's no incentive not to. If government officials were fired for overspending, like in private business, it might change. Privitization works only so long as accountability is an issue, but thats not so much the free market as it is business-government services.
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Umm, Andrew Sullivan endorsed Obama, like, over a year ago. I don't think he even identifies himself as a Republican anymore.
I haven't followed him in that long. No surprise.
the "privatization" line is a crock. just like "trickle down economics".
most people are basically ignorant. and wouldnt look past their remote to investigate most anything at all. they sell "privitaazation" with sound bites like "effeciency of the private sector", and "competition".
its a load of crap.
privitization as far as the government is concerned is about prying those fat tax dollars out from under government oversight so they can hand it to their buddies and get kick backs on the back side for themselves or their interests.
the crap they sell you sheep is just the pacification lies all politicians use to get you to hand them what they want without a fight. and mostly that is our tax dollars.
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the FAA "privitized" the flight service organization by handing it to Lockheed Martin. it now costs 20 percent MORE to tax payers per year. and for that 20 percent, here is what you get,
1. 30 percent less people getting paid less money.
2. no longer open 24 hours, now they are open from sunrise to sun set.
3. no more locally trained prefesionals. now if you get lost, they go down a check list as opposed to being trained in a spacific area to help lost pilots and search and rescue operations.
4. no more flight spacific weather breifings. now you get pre recorded weather info for your departure point and destination. no more info for your flight path.
5. filling a flight plan is now done via computer. no one to tell you if you filed through a warning area or other problems with your flight plan. this, by the way, has already resulted in the death of three people who flew into a wire attached to a military baloon.
for the bargain price of 20 percetn more than what you were paying BEFORE it was privitized.
where is all the money they are not spending? supporting mid and upper level management but im sure they will tell you otherwise. infact they have asked for even more money to keep providing what services they havent cut out yet.
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al gore, a DEMOCRAT, passed a bill forcing government organizations to but off the shelf products retail instead of contracting it out to save money.
5 years ago, they bought us and all other air traffic facilities brand new 25 inch LCD monitors, custom built by a government contractor for 32,000 bucks each.
why? because they wanted to spend YOUR tax dollars on their buddies, not on what they needed. and thats the whole point of "privitazation".
its a lie. just like trickle down and every other sound bite coming out of republicans mouths. the DEMS are the fiscally conservative party. history has proven it in the last 15 years. it was a DEM who ballanced the budget. and a republican who quickly destroyed that huge achievement.
most people are basically ignorant. and wouldnt look past their remote to investigate most anything at all. they sell "privitaazation" with sound bites like "effeciency of the private sector", and "competition".
its a load of crap.
privitization as far as the government is concerned is about prying those fat tax dollars out from under government oversight so they can hand it to their buddies and get kick backs on the back side for themselves or their interests.
the crap they sell you sheep is just the pacification lies all politicians use to get you to hand them what they want without a fight. and mostly that is our tax dollars.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the FAA "privitized" the flight service organization by handing it to Lockheed Martin. it now costs 20 percent MORE to tax payers per year. and for that 20 percent, here is what you get,
1. 30 percent less people getting paid less money.
2. no longer open 24 hours, now they are open from sunrise to sun set.
3. no more locally trained prefesionals. now if you get lost, they go down a check list as opposed to being trained in a spacific area to help lost pilots and search and rescue operations.
4. no more flight spacific weather breifings. now you get pre recorded weather info for your departure point and destination. no more info for your flight path.
5. filling a flight plan is now done via computer. no one to tell you if you filed through a warning area or other problems with your flight plan. this, by the way, has already resulted in the death of three people who flew into a wire attached to a military baloon.
for the bargain price of 20 percetn more than what you were paying BEFORE it was privitized.
where is all the money they are not spending? supporting mid and upper level management but im sure they will tell you otherwise. infact they have asked for even more money to keep providing what services they havent cut out yet.
-------------------------------------------------------------
al gore, a DEMOCRAT, passed a bill forcing government organizations to but off the shelf products retail instead of contracting it out to save money.
5 years ago, they bought us and all other air traffic facilities brand new 25 inch LCD monitors, custom built by a government contractor for 32,000 bucks each.
why? because they wanted to spend YOUR tax dollars on their buddies, not on what they needed. and thats the whole point of "privitazation".
its a lie. just like trickle down and every other sound bite coming out of republicans mouths. the DEMS are the fiscally conservative party. history has proven it in the last 15 years. it was a DEM who ballanced the budget. and a republican who quickly destroyed that huge achievement.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Ok so black pseudo-republican backs black presidential nominee. This is a story?
The real story is precisely where are obamas donations coming from.
Like we've said Obama had better have a 10pt lead in the polls going into election day. With all the money obama has spent it's amazing his lead isn't more than 4 or 5 (depending on which poll you look at). That's barely outside the margin for error. Again not including the wilder effect.
The real story is precisely where are obamas donations coming from.
Like we've said Obama had better have a 10pt lead in the polls going into election day. With all the money obama has spent it's amazing his lead isn't more than 4 or 5 (depending on which poll you look at). That's barely outside the margin for error. Again not including the wilder effect.
knoxsouthy wrote:
The real story is precisely where are obamas donations coming from.
Keep grasping at straws there, your party's platform depends upon it at this point.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Mindel,
Pretty much.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/15/1403219.aspx
Pretty much.
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Colin Powell, the first African-American Secretary of State, said this afternoon that electing an African-American US president would be “electrifying†for the world, but he said he still remains undecided between McCain and Obama.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/15/1403219.aspx
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"I have some concerns about the direction that the [Republican] party has taken in recent years," Powell told Tom Brokaw on "Meet the Press" on NBC as he made his endorsement of Obama. "It has moved more to the right than I would like to see it." In recent weeks, Powell added, "the approach of the Republican Party and Mr. McCain has become narrower and narrower."
knoxsouthy wrote:
With all the money obama has spent it's amazing his lead isn't more than 4 or 5 (depending on which poll you look at).
Not counting the Wilder effect so McCain should really be running +105 right now.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
knoxsouthy wrote:
With all the money obama has spent it's amazing his lead isn't more than 4 or 5 (depending on which poll you look at).
Not counting the Wilder effect so McCain should really be running +105 right now.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Mindel,
How cute, you actually think Powell made his choice based on Obama's non-existent merits. Like 90% of every other black person in this country he made his choice based on one thing.
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How about a quote from after he, you know, decided?
How cute, you actually think Powell made his choice based on Obama's non-existent merits. Like 90% of every other black person in this country he made his choice based on one thing.
I heard that Neo-***** and the KKK are contributing to McCain, bacause he is white.
I have just as much proof as Varus.
Are you retarded?
I take that back.
How retarded are you?
I'll accept your answer in the form of crayon scribblings. Please attempt to stay within the lines, and not draw on the walls.
I have just as much proof as Varus.
Varus wrote:
Mindel,
How cute, you actually think Powell made his choice based on Obama's non-existent merits. Like 90% of every other black person in this country he made his choice based on one thing.
Mindel wrote:
How about a quote from after he, you know, decided?
How cute, you actually think Powell made his choice based on Obama's non-existent merits. Like 90% of every other black person in this country he made his choice based on one thing.
Are you retarded?
I take that back.
How retarded are you?
I'll accept your answer in the form of crayon scribblings. Please attempt to stay within the lines, and not draw on the walls.
Just as Planned.
Oh, Mindel, silly goose. You know black people can't make independent decisions based on policy.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Oh, Mindel, silly goose. You know black people can't make independent decisions based on policy.
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