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#1 Oct 15 2008 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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So, Mr. Ambrya and I didn't watch the debate tonight because we went out on a date. My friend Katherine, who as an apprentice midwife is usually on-call to go to births, has the month off because her preceptor is on vacation. So for the very first time ever, Tristan went over to visit Katherine and her son on a playdate without me present. The only other time I've ever left him with anyone has been at his grandparent's house and then only for a couple hours at a time. This, however, was a whole afternoon and evening affair.

Let me preface this by saying that Katherine is an extremely diligent, conscientious and attentive mother and I had absolutely no worries about leaving Tristan with her, except for the normal reservations about leaving my kid with someone new for the first time ever. I could tell I was feeling a little anxious at this new situation, though, because as we drove past a park near her home that features a large pond, my brain went off into a horrible daydream/nightmare about Tristan falling into the pond and drowning while with Katherine (Thumb's recent family tragedy might have played a roll in this as well.)

Except for checking in once I actually restrained myself from pestering them. As the time for us to meet up and pick Tristan up neared, however, I get a call from Katherine telling us she's on her way to the rendezvous point and she mentions that she's got to tell me about the "little adventure" Tristan had today.

They went to the park (not the one with the pond near her house, but a different one alongside a river) and after swinging and playing on the slide and whatnot, were walking near the river visiting with the ducks and geese. Katherine had left her purse on a boulder, and Tristan was wanting to move on, so she half-turned away from him for all of a second to grab it. In that instant it took her to pivot, grab her purse, and turn back, my son (who had been standing only a foot away from her, well within arm's reach) made it to the water's edge and dove head-first into the river.

By the time Katherine ran into the water and grabbed him by the foot and pulled him out, he had been fully submerged for only a couple seconds. He gave her a startled look, spluttered, then promptly started grinning and laughing and trying to lunge out of her arms and back into the water. He continued to try to escape her grasp and run back into the water as she stripped off his wet clothes and wrapped him in the sweatshirt she'd had tied around her waist. Apparently he really, REALLY wanted to go swimming.

I've known my kid has no fear of water ever since the day in August when we were walking along the shore of Lake Michigan and he kept trying to let go of my hand and run out into the water, even though it was far too cold for swimming. But still, you'd think going head-first into a river would make him even just a LITTLE bit hesitant to try it again, but no. The child truly has no fear whatsoever.

I'm torn between absolute horror and reluctant hilarity, because I can all to well imagine the way he grinned and laughed as he tried to run back into the water. And I'm giving half-serious consideration to getting one of those toddler harness/leash things I've always disdained before, at least to use whenever there's a body of water less than half a mile away.
Tristan is perfectly fine. Katherine promptly took him home and dumped him in the bath to get the river water off him, but I do need to keep an eye out on his eyes to make sure he doesn't get an infection, and he had a little bit of a cough on the way home tonight I'll be paying attention to.

But despite that, something tells me I won't be sleeping well tonight. Or ever.
#2 Oct 15 2008 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
Get him swimming lessons at the YMCA ASAP.

If nothing else, it'll make you worry less and ensure that he won't drown, but if he's that drawn to water, you may have a future olympic star on your hands XD
#3 Oct 15 2008 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good
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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Get him swimming lessons at the YMCA ASAP.


Yeah, I was planning to get him lessons next summer anyway, but we might step up that timeline. Mr. Ambrya actually works with a guy who teaches kids to swim as his other job, so he can at least give us referrals to other teachers, or possibly even do it himself.
#4 Oct 15 2008 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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Both of my kids have absolutely no fear of water. In fact the moment they see a pool they are off and ready to play.

I remember when Zavi was not even 2, we were in a neighbors pool. He wouldnt even look to see if i was there, would just jump in and "trust" that I would catch him (Ashe, btw, does this now too Smiley: rolleyes ). Anywho, at one point in time I was holding Zavi and we were playing in the water when my foot slipped right on the edge where shallow water turns to the deep end. Throwing my hands over my head with Zavi held tightly, I was fully submerged, trying to regain my footing, while keeping his head above water. It took me 40 seconds, keeping that wriggling boy safe, before my foot caught the ledge secure enough for me to push myself up and breath. Zavi had a ball. My neighbor thought I was playing. I never wanted to see a pool again.

While it's scary now to think how much your son loves water, keep in mind it could be worse. You could have a child who fears water. I would rather my kids have no fear and be ever vigilant, so that when it comes time for lessons they are ready and willing. It's far better to have a child love and respect the weater, then to fear it and reject learning the ultimate safety of swimming.

So go to bed knowing you have a kid who is going to swim like a shark in the matter of a few years. Zavi swims very good now, and Ashe will be starting lessons in a year.
#5 Oct 15 2008 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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But despite that, something tells me I won't be sleeping well tonight. Or ever.
Sounds like you should have watched the debate.
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#6 Oct 15 2008 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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While it's scary now to think how much your son loves water, keep in mind it could be worse. You could have a child who fears water. I would rather my kids have no fear and be ever vigilant, so that when it comes time for lessons they are ready and willing. It's far better to have a child love and respect the weater, then to fear it and reject learning the ultimate safety of swimming.


This is true. If I am keep him alive through the cocky, over-confident part of the experience, that is...Smiley: eek
#7 Oct 16 2008 at 2:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Our primary job as parents is simply to keep our children from committing suicide despite their best efforts. It's the only reason, evolutionarily, that we get bigger and whatnot. We're supposed to be smart enough and strong enough to keep them from sticking a fork in an electrical socket, jumping in a river, swallowing a marble, etc.

It's like working in an overnight mental facility on bed watch.

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#8 Oct 16 2008 at 3:00 AM Rating: Decent
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. And I'm giving half-serious consideration to getting one of those toddler harness/leash things


How old is youre son? 2yo?

Reading youre bit youre son doesnt get the graveness of the situation at all and think its fun & games to disobey you. A kid should cry his eyes out when you get mad at him not be happy and smile. Have or had (hes older now) a kamikaze swimming, car/cat/dog/everything chasing nephew who thought he can do whatever he wanted.
By reading your bit my nephew was probably way worse then your kid though.

Anyway if your son doesnt cry his eyes out when you get mad at him, a harness is a good alternative discipline tool. Just put on the harness if he tugs your hand near water and a very stern no doesnt help at all, then if he doesnt tug the harness for a while take it off again and switch to the hand, etc. It worked on my nephew.
Its not about him not fearing water its about him not doing what you say and thinking its fun.

Not telling how to raise your child, or that i see/understand your situation, just that ive seen it work, and that such things are necessary for some kids, not every kid is the same.



Edited, Oct 16th 2008 1:06pm by Sjans
#9 Oct 16 2008 at 3:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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And I'm giving half-serious consideration to getting one of those toddler harness/leash things I've always disdained before, at least to use whenever there's a body of water less than half a mile away.


Don't. Go with the swimming lessons.

Those harnesses are horrible. That's like keeping your kids on a leash. In the UK, I see plenty of people walking their kid with one of those, and it's almost surreal. I'm surprised it's not a breach of human rights or something. Just hold the kid by the hand, it's not that complicated.

Or just get a dog, seriously...
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#10 Oct 16 2008 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
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Jack fell over in a toddler pool this summer, under my mom's care. It was terrifying to turn around and see my son face down in the water and my mom unaware that anything had happened. We were lucky that I was so close and able to grab him.

Horrible.
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#11 Oct 16 2008 at 3:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Isn't that normaly spelt with an X? Xavi.
#12 Oct 16 2008 at 4:19 AM Rating: Good
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isn't this what basements are for.. and stairs... and underneath of them...?
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#13 Oct 16 2008 at 4:35 AM Rating: Good
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Definately get a leash and swimming lessons.
Disdain them all you want but until your child will stop when you say so and stays close on your say so they will save lots of spills, chills, and anguish.
#14 Oct 16 2008 at 5:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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By the way Ambrya, I found "red light, green light" to be more effective at that age than "stop" because "stop" is too vague and we say it all the time. "red light" means "stop moving, stay still" and can also seem like a fun game to them.

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#15 Oct 16 2008 at 5:06 AM Rating: Good
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I've known my kid has no fear of water ever since the day in August when we were walking along the shore of Lake Michigan and he kept trying to let go of my hand and run out into the water, even though it was far too cold for swimming.
Smiley: confused How can Lake Michigan be too cold to swim in in August? Too polluted, I understand, but too cold?
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#16 Oct 16 2008 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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I've known my kid has no fear of water ever since the day in August when we were walking along the shore of Lake Michigan and he kept trying to let go of my hand and run out into the water, even though it was far too cold for swimming.
Smiley: confused How can Lake Michigan be too cold to swim in in August? Too polluted, I understand, but too cold?


Lake Michigan is never really WARM, to begin with. Also, it was a pretty cool summer in Michigan this year, if I remember what my family was telling me correctly. But yeah, we tried to go swimming twice this past August. The first time, I found the water to be bearable, but Mr. Ambrya couldn't stand it and Tristan's lips were trembling even though he was having a great time. The second time, a few days later, the weather had turned much cooler and the water was so cold that by the time I got in to my waist, I could no longer feel my legs. So we decided to walk along the edge of the waves instead, but Tristan wanted to go IN.
#17 Oct 16 2008 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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By the way Ambrya, I found "red light, green light" to be more effective at that age than "stop" because "stop" is too vague and we say it all the time. "red light" means "stop moving, stay still" and can also seem like a fun game to them.

Nexa


I'll have to try this, thanks for the tip.
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Zavi
Isn't that normaly spelt with an X? Xavi.


His name is Xavier but his nickname is Zavi (sounds like Davey with a Z). The Mister read a book before we had kids where the protagonist was named Xavier but nicknamed Zavi with that spelling. While we didnt name Xavier for that book, the Mr wanted to use that nickname instead of the normal Xman, or crap like that. When we say Xavier, it's not a soft X that sounds like a Z, if that makes sense. Plus, it really fits the boy. He is a Zavi through and through.
#19 Oct 16 2008 at 6:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Definately get a leash and swimming lessons.
Disdain them all you want but until your child will stop when you say so and stays close on your say so they will save lots of spills, chills, and anguish.


Ok, I might get flamed cos I don't have a kid myself, but if you can't get your child to listen to you when you say "Stop!" in important situations, when are they ever going to listen to you? When they rebel at 13? When they do drugs at 16? And how long with you keep them on a leash? And what happens when you take it off?

I understand kids don't always listen, and they do their own thing, and it can be scary and frustrating, and borderline dangerous sometimes. But surely that's part of learning as a kid, isn't it? Putting them on a leash teaches nothing at all, and is somewhat objectifying. When I was young, if my dad shouted "Stop!", I would stop. Authority is something you need to develop within the relationship, and I can't see how the leash is a productive thing on the long-term.

Well, I might be talking out my *** again, and I respect that some parents might be so overwhelmed that they feel they have no option. But if the only way to keep your child from running away and juming in a lake/oncoming traffic is to have them on a leash, then something fundamental is not right.

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#20 Oct 16 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, two-year-olds are not like any other age. There's so much going on in their little heads, and yet so little at the same time.

When I was two a neighbor called my mom and said, "Don't panic, but your daughter is walking across the top of the swing set."

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#21 Oct 16 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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. And I'm giving half-serious consideration to getting one of those toddler harness/leash things


How old is youre son? 2yo?


Not even 17 months old yet.
#22 Oct 16 2008 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Jonwin wrote:
Definately get a leash and swimming lessons.
Disdain them all you want but until your child will stop when you say so and stays close on your say so they will save lots of spills, chills, and anguish.


Ok, I might get flamed cos I don't have a kid myself, but if you can't get your child to listen to you when you say "Stop!" in important situations, when are they ever going to listen to you? When they rebel at 13? When they do drugs at 16? And how long with you keep them on a leash? And what happens when you take it off?


The leash comment was quasi-tongue-in-cheek. Normally I think they're absurd, but needless to say I'm now a little less complacent about my ability to keep him from running headlong into the jaws of death than I was before yesterday.

However, Tristan is not yet 17 months old. We're presently working on teaching him things like "no" and "stop" but we're still at that stage where he doesn't necessarily get that these things are important and that he needs to obey when we say "stop."
#23 Oct 16 2008 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Yup, swimming lessons ASAP.

My daughter has absolutely no fear. Hubby blames this on me since I was the adrenaline-rush junkie when we got married.

But like DSD said, it's so much better to have a child that is confident and respects their surroundings instead of one who is fearful of everything.

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I was anti lease until my youngest daughter learn to walk. Trying to hold on to her hand and keep her from running into every store at the mall, made shopping with her impossible. I still didn't get a harness that made it look like I was walking a dog, but found a bracelet coil lease that was held together with Velcro. She learn how to take it off within a short time, but also got the idea that running off on her own wasn't a good idea.

My grand daughter takes after her aunt and they got her a puppy backpack with a lease, that can be attach to it. I've seen other parents use them and they don't give off the "walking a pet" feel of the old lease/harness systems of 20 years ago. Erin loves her puppy backpack and they only add the lease to it as needed. She could undo the harness system of the backpack by herself, but doesn't as it makes her feel like a big girl to have her own backpack. Recently they stop using it and she got a larger Dora the Explorer backpack for her to carry her lunch and snacks in.

From what my mom use to tell me, I was also known for turning over my playpen and going for walks down the street diaper less, if left alone for one minute. The mailman then had to bring me back home. I also was the kid who got lost at the department store as I got older a lot. My youngest was 9 when she was the only one of my 3 girls who ever got lost. The clerk at the coffee shop she told once she realized she had that the rest of our group had wander off, gave her a latte to sip while my online gaming friends and I looked for her.
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#25 Oct 16 2008 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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By the way Ambrya, I found "red light, green light" to be more effective at that age than "stop" because "stop" is too vague and we say it all the time. "red light" means "stop moving, stay still" and can also seem like a fun game to them.

Nexa


We use this with our (nearly) 3 year old.

Oddly the other day he started saying that "Sometimes, green means stop, and red means go". Don't be daft we said, its ALWAYS the other way around.

No, he said, and took us off to the strawberry patch that we've got going, and pointed at the green strawberry and said "sometimes green means STOP! and red means GO!"

Well that told us.........little smarty pants Smiley: bah
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By the way Ambrya, I found "red light, green light" to be more effective at that age than "stop" because "stop" is too vague and we say it all the time. "red light" means "stop moving, stay still" and can also seem like a fun game to them.

Nexa


We use this with our (nearly) 3 year old.

Oddly the other day he started saying that "Sometimes, green means stop, and red means go". Don't be daft we said, its ALWAYS the other way around.

No, he said, and took us off to the strawberry patch that we've got going, and pointed at the green strawberry and said "sometimes green means STOP! and red means GO!"

Well that told us.........little smarty pants Smiley: bah


I know how you feel. Hannah says stuff like that and looks at me like I'm the biggest moron ever. Fine, little girl, you win the battle, but I'm winning the ******* war!

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