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#202 Oct 15 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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It's the power of perception. You can't simply separate the body from the mind. Your mind told your body who you're attracted to.
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According to the majority of modern science and philosophy of mind, the mind is at best an entity created by the body's existence and relations with other material objects.

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Again, I'll say that I've never liked the emphasis of the LGBT movement on this biological stuff as if we're all saying that we can't help it. Gosh, we just can't help it.


I seem to remember having a fight with you about this once :(
#203 Oct 15 2008 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive,

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I don't control the urges of my body; I can only either endorse or deny them.


So you've never been angry at a person and resisted the urge to hit them?

Perhaps you would like to rephrase your bs.



Edited, Oct 15th 2008 12:16pm by knoxsouthy
Wow. Just wow.

Grats on doing so well at suppressing your urges to **** dudes, though. That's hard core. Smiley: thumbsup
#204 Oct 15 2008 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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So you've never been angry at a person and resisted the urge to hit them?

Perhaps you would like to rephrase your bs.


Um... I can endorse or deny it.

One of the bad things about this thread is that since most of your stuff is unrated I can only respond to you through what other's have quoted. I apologize if I miss something that's relevant or important, but what I can see really doesn't seem to be so.

Varrus, do you really believe that rights are arbitrarily decided? I mean, I think so also, but I'm not sure how you reconcile that belief with uh, other beliefs that you hold.

Or was mindel quoting me?

Man this unrated **** is annoying.

Edited, Oct 15th 2008 12:29pm by Pensive
#205 Oct 15 2008 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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So you've never been angry at a person and resisted the urge to hit them?

Perhaps you would like to rephrase your bs.


Um... I can endorse or deny it.

One of the bad things about this thread is that since most of your stuff is unrated I can only respond to you through what other's have quoted. I apologize if I miss something that's relevant or important, but what I can see really doesn't seem to be so.

Varrus, do you really believe that rights are arbitrarily decided? I mean, I think so also, but I'm not sure how you reconcile that belief with uh, other beliefs that you hold.

Or was mindel quoting me?

Man this unrated sh*t is annoying.

Edited, Oct 15th 2008 12:29pm by Pensive
Change your filter settings :p

And yeah, he stated he believes rights are arbitrary.
#206 Oct 15 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Well damn I thought I had been on never filter.

Even so I wish we had an unrated filter.
#207 Oct 15 2008 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, a lot of varrus's posts are no-rated in this thread now. Makes it hard to follow.
#208 Oct 15 2008 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I mean of course rights are created under the law. Technically, we could live by kill or be killed. The law that bans Varrus from eating children is arbitrary too. But let's be honest and look at the framework in which we define inherent and equal rights under the law. There is a reason that slavery became unconstitutional--inherent rights. There is a reason that people have the freedom to speak without being jailed--inherent rights. There is a reason we have the right to vote.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what crack pipe is Varrus smoking? Of course it is all man-made but still within our framework, we don't discriminate based on gender and not allowing legally sanctifying a same sex union violates that precept.





Edited, Oct 15th 2008 12:53pm by Annabella
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#210 Oct 15 2008 at 9:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I mean of course rights are created under the law. Technically, we could live by kill or be killed. The law that bans Varrus from eating children is arbitrary too. But let's be honest and look at the framework in which we define inherent and equal rights under the law. There is a reason that slavery became unconstitutional--inherent rights. There is a reason that people have the freedom to speak without being jailed--inherent rights. There is a reason we have the right to vote.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what crack pipe is Varrus smoking? Of course it is all man-made but still within our framework, we don't discriminate based on gender and not allowing legally sanctifying a same sex union violates that precept.


It's really a question of perception. A liberal of the late 18th century would say that all humans have inherent rights and form governments merely to protect those rights.
#212 Oct 15 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wrong. Forcing one person to pay a higher percentage of their income goes against the very principles of freedom and equality that this country was founded on.

Shut the **** up about your god-damned taxes. Pay the **** and move on for christ's sake.
#213 Oct 15 2008 at 9:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Our founding fathers also believed in ideas like equal protection under the law, which our govn convienently ignores to justify taxing one person a higher percentage than another.
They tax one income level higher than another. If they tried to say that Steve Smith has to pay 20% and Jane Doe has to pay 30%, that would be unconstitutional. If Steve and Jane earn the same income, they pay the same rate (before deductions and other mitigating circumstances).

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That a woman has a right to kill a fetus.
Essentially, yes. The court found that the 9th and 14th amendments rights to privacy and the restriction of government action on personal liberty encompass the right to an abortion.

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So we're in agreement that it's not beyond the US govn to deny a persons rights.
It has the capacity to act against the law. What's your point?


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Wrong. Forcing one person to pay a higher percentage of their income goes against the very principles of freedom and equality that this country was founded on.
One could argue that taxation of any kind goes against the principles of freedom this country was founded on, but that's not the point in question either. The revenue laws, whatever else might be wrong with them, do not violate equal protection. Smiley: schooled
#214 Oct 15 2008 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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This looks pretty fair to me.No one is paying over ~1/3 of your income, but people with smaller income aren't being forced to give away huge chunks of their money when they can barely afford to live anyway. How the **** is this a problem?
#215 Oct 15 2008 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what crack pipe is Varrus smoking? Of course it is all man-made but still within our framework, we don't discriminate based on gender and not allowing legally sanctifying a same sex union violates that precept.


I guess it just shows how little I know about christianity as practiced. I've just never met someone who was religious and also believed that rights were arbitrary.
#216 Oct 15 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Pensive,

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I don't control the urges of my body; I can only either endorse or deny them.


So you've never been angry at a person and resisted the urge to hit them?

Perhaps you would like to rephrase your bs.



Edited, Oct 15th 2008 12:16pm by knoxsouthy
I think what Pensive is saying is that we can't control WHAT the basic (adaptive) urges of our body will be, we can only control whether we pursue the fulfillment of those urges (endorse the urge), or instead act against fulfilling the urge/desire (deny the urge.)

I fail to see why gays should be expected by some people to restrain their sexual attraction to members of the same sex to such an amazing extent that they never have relationships with those they fall in love with or are attracted to, and only ever have relationships with members of the opposite sex that they don't love romantically, and find utterly uninteresting, or actually distasteful to have sex with.
#217 Oct 15 2008 at 9:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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I fail to see why gays should be expected by some people to restrain their sexual attraction to members of the same sex to such an amazing extent that they never have relationships with those they fall in love with or are attracted to, and only ever have relationships with members of the opposite sex that they don't love romantically, and find utterly uninteresting, or actually distasteful to have sex with.


Well, Ari, you know more than anyone that it isn't just that. As both bisexual people and many homosexual people have had satisfying sexual relationships with a person of the opposite sex, but rather, there is no reason to deny same sex couples equal rights under the law. When I've been with women it hasn't been b/c men disgust me, it was because I thought that that woman was awesome and no crappy Varrus type has the right to say that relationship has second rate status if we decide to build a legal union and have a family.

Edited, Oct 15th 2008 1:25pm by Annabella
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#218 Oct 15 2008 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, Ari, you know more than anyone that it isn't just that. As both bisexual people and many homosexual people have had satisfying sexual relationships with a person of the opposite sex, but rather, there is no reason to deny same sex couples equal rights under the law. When I've been with women it hasn't been b/c men disgust me, it was because I thought that that woman was awesome and no crappy Varrus type has the right to say that relationship has second rate status if we decide to build a legal union and have a family.
Very well put.
#220 Oct 15 2008 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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The fact that people who believe in religion and morality vote based on their beliefs is what really galls you.


It galls me.

Why?

Because you hold those beliefs with a complete absence of evidence, and, in fact, completely contrary to all the availiable evidence.

So, why should anyone have any respect whatsoever for your opinions, and why shouldn't I find your decision to use your vote based on nothing more than a collection of pre-medievel superstitions 'galling'?

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#222 Oct 15 2008 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually there's quite a bit of evidence Jesus existed, was crucified,
And thats as far as you can get and still call it "evidence."
#223 Oct 15 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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The fact that people who believe in religion and morality vote based on their beliefs is what really galls you.


I honestly don't care if someone believes in religion and votes as such.

What galls me is that polititians then pander to the religions morons instead of actually upholding justice and keeping church and state seperate.
#224 Oct 15 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually there's quite a bit of evidence Jesus existed, was crucified, and resurrected.


Existed and crucified..Sure. But that doesn't require 'faith'.

Resurrected?? Thats the bit that was made up in its entirety, and is the basis for your 'faith'.

Unless of course you can show us some evidence to the contrary.
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#226 Oct 15 2008 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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What galls me is that polititians then pander to the religions morons instead of actually upholding justice and keeping church and state seperate


There is nothing in the constitution that says politicians should separate their religious convictions with how they govern.

The First ******* Amendment wrote:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
Its in the first one, you don't even have to look very far. Laws are supposed to not relate to religion in any way.
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