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#52 Oct 13 2008 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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lol...You weren't in complete agreement with her. I'm surprised she didn't call you "stupid" to boot.
Contrary to what you might think both Mindel and myself are both trying to achive the same thing, we just disagree on how to protect gays from people like you.
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I'm just trying to figure out how the music you like has anything to do with this discussion is all.
As I am not gay, and so cannot speak from personal experiance I was trying to use a example of bullying/hatred/predudice towards a demographic i have personnal experiance of.

Unless you think predudice is not equal.
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#53 Oct 13 2008 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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As I am not gay, and so cannot speak from personal experiance I was trying to use a example of bullying/hatred/predudice towards a demographic i have personnal experiance of.

Unless you think predudice is not equal.
Not that, as such. Prejudice is generally never a good thing. I just question how well you can get to know the "***** experience" by relating it to something that's entirely unrelated. Hell, even I won't make a claim to know how bad it is for gay men because I'm not a gay man and my only experience with the **** they go through is mostly second-hand (despite two very scary experiences in the past).
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#55 Oct 13 2008 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldn't go to one. That's not the issue here. The issue is whether or not our public tax dollars should fund an institution that a huge segment of the population believe to be immoral. The reason I would oppose a school that specifically catered to devil worshippers.

You want to be gay go right ahead, that's between you and God. But when you're pushing that lifestyle in the faces of people who don't want to see it what do you expect is going to happen?


I actually partially agree with you on the tax dollars thing, though... not because some people think it's "immoral." However, making the school open to anyone, not just homosexuals, sort of negates that argument.

I have no idea how anyone is pushing anything in your face. I don't understand how someone can have as much hatred for another human being as you do, simply because they are attracted to people of the same sex.

If god made them that way, who are you to judge?
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So it's your assertion that gays only get beaten and killed if they make hets uncomfortable with their "in your face" actions?

Is that your position, truly?

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#58 Oct 13 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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The issue is whether or not our public tax dollars should fund an institution that a huge segment of the population believe to be immoral.

Like how we sponsor some church-run aid groups? Or give support to religious institutions? I find that immoral on a secular level - spending tax money on a religious view I do not support.
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The same reason I would oppose a school that specifically catered to devil worshippers.

And hopefully one devoted to Evangelicals as well. They offend an awful lot of people. I'll agree with you there.

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You want to be gay go right ahead, that's between you and God. But when you're pushing that lifestyle in the faces of people who don't want to see it what do you expect is going to happen?


So it's ok to attack people who are living their lives, same as you? Didn't you JUST use the example of a person wearing an "I hate gays" shirt to a gay pride rally and then cried about him getting beat up? And now 20 minutes later, you say "Well, what do you expect" if the reverse happens?

Oh boy. You're confused :-(
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#59 Oct 13 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Hell, even I won't make a claim to know how bad it is for gay men because I'm not a gay man and my only experience with the sh*t they go through is mostly second-hand
I tell you what I'm going for a Beer with one of my openly Gay friends on Wednesday how about I do some research?

Only he's a Metalhead too will that confuse the issue?
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#60 Oct 13 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldn't go to one. That's not the issue here. The issue is whether or not our public tax dollars should fund an institution that a huge segment of the population believe to be immoral. The same reason I would oppose a school that specifically catered to devil worshippers.
A huge segment of the population believes the war in Iraq is immoral. Smiley: schooled

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You want to be gay go right ahead, that's between you and God. But when you're pushing that lifestyle in the faces of people who don't want to see it what do you expect is going to happen?
See, this is what you're not getting. It's not about you. No one's pushing anything in you're face. The fact that people like me don't live in the closet anymore is because pretending to be something you're not is what's really immoral, and unhealthy to boot. Thankfully a lot of brave people stood up for our rights as humans and as citizens a few decades ago, and sadly we're still having to stand up all these years later because people like you can't get over yourselves.
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#61 Oct 13 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I suppose I shouldn't care so much about the eternal soul of my neighbor and should just "mind my own business".
Yes, do that. Their "soul" is their own problem.
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#62 Oct 13 2008 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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tard,

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we just disagree on how to protect gays from people like you.


I've never been arrested for anything, what do you mean protect from people like me? You mean people that stand up to immorality and say it's wrong? I guess I should just keep my mouth shut and allow our country to fall in greater depths of moral degradation. I suppose I shouldn't care so much about the eternal soul of my neighbor and should just "mind my own business".


Your caring for the immortal soul of your neighbor is to rant and rave and spout vitriol and violence? Yes, here's an idea; let them save themselves, and leave them alone. Your moral superiority and snobbishness should be repaid in your homosexual-free heaven. I hear they have barbecues down there.
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#63 Oct 13 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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openly Gay...Metalhead
May God have mercy! Smiley: grin
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#64 Oct 13 2008 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
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openly Gay...Metalhead
May God have mercy! Smiley: grin
Rob Halford ftw? Smiley: lol
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#67 Oct 13 2008 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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God didn't make them that way it was a choice. Unless of course you don't choose who you sleep with. Do you believe in the free will of humanity?

Then at the very least, God gave them that choice, which means that you are in no place to question it. Smiley: schooled

Don't play Bible Logic with me.
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Ah but God did set out a guideline of rules to follow, which include homosexuality as an abomination.
Yup, right along with cheeseburgers and polyester. I didn't choose to be gay, dear, but you certainly chose to be a Christian. Please stop pushing your lifestyle in my face now.
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Ah but God did set out a guideline of rules to follow, which include homosexuality as an abomination.
Could you kink the section of the bible that says that please Varrus.

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Nevermind Found it.

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#71 Oct 13 2008 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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You explain to me whats immoral about homosexuality other than "the Bible says so," and maybe I'll take you a bit more seriously.
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Ah but God did set out a guideline of rules to follow, which include homosexuality as an abomination.
Could you kink the section of the bible that says that please Varrus.

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Nevermind Found it.

Edited, Oct 13th 2008 3:09pm by tarv


Now, now.

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I don't understand how someone can have as much hatred for another human being as you do


Hate? I don't hate anyone. I'm that father figure telling you you're doing something wrong; no matter how much you try to convince me i'm old fashioned. If I were to condone a practice I truly believed to be immoral what kind of person would I be?


Grown human beings do not need you to be their father. Not only do they have a father of their own, but they are adults and do not need your supervision.


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simply because they are attracted to people of the same sex.

If god made them that way, who are you to judge?


God didn't make them that way it was a choice. Unless of course you don't choose who you sleep with. Do you believe in the free will of humanity?


Attraction does not equal sex acts, darlin'. However, I firmly believe that I was born a heterosexual. I never chose it. I have absolutely no reason to believe that homosexuals experience some sort of ability to choose that I was not.

I also do not believe that god has a problem with homosexuals, and people like you, who want to try to police their bedroom activities, are not so high on his "good guys" list right now.

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Your caring for the immortal soul of your neighbor is to rant and rave and spout vitriol and violence?


Can you show me one post where i've ever advocated violence against another person?

It doesn't exist.


Well... you advocated forming gangs for "protection." Said gangs are known to use violence against those outside their groups. Advocating gangs you know will be used to violently beat down other people sounds like advocating violence to me.

Now, if you'd like to come out and say "I'm against neo-***** because they beat those different from themselves" instead of saying the effect of "poor white kids need neo-**** gangs to feel safe," I'd be happy to give you a clap on the back and say "good for you!"

Somehow I feel though, if I look through your 1.6k posts here on this name, I'll find at least one other instance of you supporting a similar position. Maybe several hundred, actually. Just a feeling.
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#76 Oct 13 2008 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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You weren't born with some gay gene that dictates who you're attracted to.
Actually scientific research has recently shown exactly that.

More-over the % of homosexuals in all primates appears to be about (roughly) the same, there are rariations dependant on population pressures but it's fairly even across the board.
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