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#1 Oct 10 2008 at 8:02 PM Rating: Decent
on the same day troopergate comes out he is giving praise to obama, and correcting personal attacks on obama at a republican campaign party?

personally, i think he has found himself again. something he lost somewhere during the fight for the whitehouse. his self respect. his honor.

mabe im wrong, and he is just shifting gears because the attacks are backfiring, but i will choose to beleive he is instead deciding to stand tall once again as opposed to groveling in the dirt with the typical republican style politics.

it may be he has accepted defeat and wants to set the tone for his exit too. especially after the troopergate verdict. the kick em when they are down report.

but mccain is a hero. so i doubt he knows the word defeat, and im sure he cant even spell surrender. mabe now we can finnish this thing with a run to the wire on the issues and not character assination and swift boating. as it should be done. well done, and over due. may the best man win on the issues and what they can do for us, and may the victor and defeated stand side by side when its done so we can start cleaning up this mess.

hopefully, this is the beginning of the end of the "us and them" mentality in american politics. no matter who wins.
#2 Oct 10 2008 at 8:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll have to wait and see what Palin does over the next week or so.

If she cools it down and stops trying to incite the crowds, I'll figure that either (A) McCain realized how disgusting his campaign became and wants to right it or else (B) They decided the polls weren't changing are are lurching over to Plan W. I'll actually be charitable and assume that it's "A".

If Palin continues business as usual, it'll be because either (A) McCain doesn't care and just wanted to innoculate himself from criticism or else (B) McCain has lost all control over his campaign and they're going against his wishes. In this case, it doesn't matter if I believe A or B -- either way is equally fucked up.
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#3 Oct 11 2008 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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Or, as I suspect, McCain is tacitly throwing in the towel. He has never been comfortable with mudslinging and-- believe it or not --actually is a good guy despite all the stuff you guys have said about him ditching his first wife-- not that I expect any of you to admit to it.

More than anything McCain is a realist. He sees the writing on the wall and would rather work to have a smooth transition of power and later be able to continue his bipartisanship in the Senate than to burn a bridge that appears to already be behind him. He didn't like it when Bush assasinated his character in 2000 and prolly doesn't like it that his campaign has veered in that direction recently. It also explains why he hasn't brought up any of the things Palin has been hammering during the debates. He considers it unbecoming and unstatesmen-like.

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#4 Oct 11 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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To that end, you guys should like this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5onEdxx9zs

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#5 Oct 11 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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That video isn't even funny, it's just dumb. I like tina fey doing Palin, not this drivel.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/
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#6 Oct 11 2008 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
He has never been comfortable with mudslinging and-- believe it or not --actually is a good guy despite all the stuff you guys have said about him ditching his first wife-- not that I expect any of you to admit to it.


Oh, I believe it. There was once a time, around 2000, I actually considered voting for McCain. If he'd been the candidate instead of Bush, it's quite likely I would have voted Republican. But then he turned into Bush's ***** on Iraq and a number of other issues, which pretty much wiped out any respect I'd had for him.

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More than anything McCain is a realist. He sees the writing on the wall and would rather work to have a smooth transition of power and later be able to continue his bipartisanship in the Senate than to burn a bridge that appears to already be behind him.


One can only hope. This would be the dignified, classy thing to do.
#7 Oct 11 2008 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
Or, as I suspect, McCain is tacitly throwing in the towel. He has never been comfortable with mudslinging and-- believe it or not --actually is a good guy despite all the stuff you guys have said about him ditching his first wife-- not that I expect any of you to admit to it.


I hope you're right, and not because of the "throwing in the towel" part, but because in 2000 if he had made it through the primaries I was considering voting for him, and I felt that something had gone wrong between then and now.
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#8 Oct 11 2008 at 9:09 AM Rating: Default
mccain wont ever throw in the towel. i dont think he is accepting defeat.

he may, however, be as disgucted with the republican style character assination. it is not his style. even when he was fighting Bush for the repub primary in 2000, he ran a clean campaign while the bush lackies tared and feathered him non stop till election day.

and as repugnant as that is, it is you REPUBLICANS that rewarded bush for those tacktics. sometimes you have to take the loss to teach your party a lesson. the mess this country is in right now is another one of those times. to let them back in office would be telling them what they did to this country was fine.

mccain is a good man. but the election is not about mccain, it is about the party. mccain is just the front man. so is obama.

win or loose, mccain and obama have an opertunity here to not only set a higher bar, but to show true bipartisan ship when it is over......so so unlike the unity we all felt from hillary when she lost.

one country, one party. win or loose.
#9 Oct 11 2008 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I think that McCain didn't have any particular desire to go the negative route in his campaigning, but his staff probably pointed out how effectively it worked against him in 2000, so he went along with it. But despite the attempted character assassination, Obama continued to poll better and better. Since that tactic didn't work, its probably been shelved.

And despite his history of marital infidelity, I don't think anyone here finds that grounds to be disqualified as a presidential candidate. What the folks around here seem to think of that is that IF the right wing pundits claim that it disqualifies John Edwards, then it should disqualify McCain as well. Its the hypocrisy to which people object.
#10 Oct 11 2008 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
Or, as I suspect, McCain is tacitly throwing in the towel. He has never been comfortable with mudslinging and-- believe it or not --actually is a good guy despite all the stuff you guys have said about him ditching his first wife-- not that I expect any of you to admit to it.

More than anything McCain is a realist. He sees the writing on the wall and would rather work to have a smooth transition of power and later be able to continue his bipartisanship in the Senate than to burn a bridge that appears to already be behind him. He didn't like it when Bush assasinated his character in 2000 and prolly doesn't like it that his campaign has veered in that direction recently. It also explains why he hasn't brought up any of the things Palin has been hammering during the debates. He considers it unbecoming and unstatesmen-like.

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Nothing says leadership like quietly allowing your campaign and running mate to run wild with negative slander while you deep down disapprove of it.

MCCAIN '08 - REGRET

And trust me, I miss 2000 McCain too.

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#11 Oct 11 2008 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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And trust me, I miss 2000 McCain too.
Yes, but you couldn't vote for him at the time.

Then again, in 2000, I voted for Nader, so it's partly my fault we got eight years of Bush.
#12 Oct 11 2008 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Then again, in 2000, I voted for Nader, so it's partly my fault we got eight years of Bush.


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The whole "McCain's really a great guy who never wanted to go elbows deep into shit-slinging..." thing is crap. If McCain has so little control over his own campaign that they run roughshod over the guy and conduct all these things in his name but against his will, then McCain never had any right to be president anyway. He'd make Warren Harding look like a political mastermind.

This hasn't been one or two "Oops" moments where a campaign surrogate has spoken out of turn; this has been a weeks long coordinated effort including scripted speeches by his Vice-Presidental nominee, television ads, lengthy web videos and blanketed coverage by campaign staffers on the news shows. If McCain wasn't "comfortable" with it, the time to have said something was two weeks ago before they unrolled their giant plan.

If he's changing his campaign's tonenow then great. But let's not pretend that there's any other reason for the campaign getting to this point besides McCain selling out his character to bring it to this point.
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#14 Oct 12 2008 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Then again, in 2000, I voted for Nader, so it's partly my fault we got eight years of Bush.


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With instant-runoff voting, we probably would have ended up with this man for President.
#15 Oct 12 2008 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, Obama really is tied to the weather underground!

http://64.243.174.104/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=obama&wuSelect=WEATHER
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#16 Oct 12 2008 at 9:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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The whole "McCain's really a great guy who never wanted to go elbows deep into ****-slinging..." thing is crap. If McCain has so little control over his own campaign that they run roughshod over the guy and conduct all these things in his name but against his will, then McCain never had any right to be president anyway.


100% agree.

Its begining to sound as tho' he's getting given the "awww....its not his fault...he's a nice guy. Look, all the silver hair and awkward arm movements an' stuff....leave the old fella alone..." Even from the lefties for goodness sake.


Bollox is what it is.

Its the Republicans falling back on what they know best. Make people scared of not voting for them with tales of 'them what hates our way of life'.

With exception of some of those fecking idiots who have been making an apearance on You-Tube of late saying stufff like...

"But we're scared of having Obama as our president.....he's a muslim terrorist"

I hope the voting public of the US are not going to fall for that tired old tactic yet again.....
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#17REDACTED, Posted: Oct 13 2008 at 12:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) now every one start to agree with jophiel.
#18 Oct 13 2008 at 3:28 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure if they planned it as a strategy for McCain as much as for Palin, and in the end McCain became conflicted because he doesn't want to hang Palin out to dry by herself and he definitely wants to win, but the reality of it was much different than the concept he was presented.

I don't think he's a dishonorable man, and I don't think he was given the whole picture, and is frankly not socially savvy enough to have deduced that it would go this far or look this bad on his own. This of course does not excuse his PR folks, who are paid to think of these sorts of things and who I find to be the great gaping wound in the McCain-Palin operation so far.
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I've been reading great teary missives of concern from the Pubbie camp that there could even be riots and violence if Obama is elected, and thinking, "Yes, and we'll know who's culpable for that, you sorry sacks of ****."

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#20 Oct 13 2008 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been reading great teary missives of concern from the Pubbie camp that there could even be riots and violence if Obama is elected, and thinking, "Yes, and we'll know who's culpable for that, you sorry sacks of sh*t."

Self-fulfilling prophecy?
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#23 Oct 13 2008 at 5:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Unfortunately for the Dems the Wilder effect is very real, no matter how much they protest. Incidentally this is why most of the liberal polls are showing Obama up 8 to 10 while polls like gallup and zogby have obama up by a mere 4pts, right on the margin of error.
So you're pinning your hopes of a win on the premise that white voters, in their heart-of-hearts, really do hate blacks?

Now that's a recipe for a mandate. Smiley: rolleyes
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Just a couple weeks away and all the liberals are sounding the trumpet of victory. Sound familiar? It should the exact same people on this site said the exact same thing when Kerry ran.
At this time last year, Bush had a 1% lead in the national polls and a 63 electoral vote lead. In contrast, Obama currently has a 6.8% national lead and a 165 electoral vote lead.

If you want to use those numbers to predict a loss for Obama, knock yourself out.
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Unfortunately for the Dems the Wilder effect is very real, no matter how much they protest.
Keep hoping that. I'd point you to the various studies suggesting it's not true but I'd rather have you confident that it'll save McCain.
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Incidentally this is why most of the liberal polls are showing Obama up 8 to 10 while polls like gallup and zogby have obama up by a mere 4pts, right on the margin of error.
When every poll shows a roughly equal lead for a candidate, you can safely discount it being caused by natural statistical noise.
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Prepare for the onslaught of liberal whack jobs claiming the race is over.
Really, it's been the opposite. The media is running story after story about "Can McCain come back?" "McCain was dead in the primaries but he's the Comeback-Kid!", etc.

Foregone conclusions don't sell stories. Hyped "dead heat races" are what gets folks to tune in. It was the same way when it was mathmatically impossible for Clinton to win but it was still a "close race" through Kentucky with "How will she win it?" stories each day.



Edited, Oct 13th 2008 9:35am by Jophiel
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