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Troopergate Concluded: Palin Abused Her PowerFollow

#1 Oct 10 2008 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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An investigation has concluded that Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power, according to a report just now unanimously released by the legislative council.

The report by investigator Steve Branchflower found that Palin violated the state's executive branch ethics act, which says that "each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."

Branchflower was investigating whether Palin abused her power by pushing for the firing of state trooper Mike Wooten, who once was married to the governor's sister.
No details yet since it was just released.
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#2 Oct 10 2008 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you're in a readin' sort of mood, the report has been made public (PDF)
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#3 Oct 10 2008 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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Longer MSNBC piece.

I wonder what kind of idiotic spin she'll put on this. I think this is it for her. I can't imagine that she'll look good to anyone now.


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#4 Oct 10 2008 at 4:49 PM Rating: Default
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unanimously released


As opposed to, like, a 3/5 release?
#5 Oct 10 2008 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Poor Flea. You're going to read that report over and over this weekend aren't you Joph.

Edited, Oct 10th 2008 6:47pm by baelnic
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
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unanimously released
As opposed to, like, a 3/5 release?
The legislative committee had to vote on whether or not to make the report public.
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#7 Oct 10 2008 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
So, what now? Firing squad?
#8 Oct 10 2008 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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baelnic wrote:
Poor Flea. You're going to read that report over and over this weekend aren't you Joph.
Actually, I'm reading the report in a nightie and Joph is watching a movie.
#9 Oct 10 2008 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
A real mav-rick.
#10 Oct 10 2008 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
Longer MSNBC piece.

I wonder what kind of idiotic spin she'll put on this. I think this is it for her. I can't imagine that she'll look good to anyone now.


***** Chicago politics, man. Alaska is where it's at!
I'm betting that most conservatives will presume that this finding is entirely the result of a liberal-led political witch hunt, and disregard the results.
#11 Oct 10 2008 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:
Longer MSNBC piece.

I wonder what kind of idiotic spin she'll put on this. I think this is it for her. I can't imagine that she'll look good to anyone now.


***** Chicago politics, man. Alaska is where it's at!
I'm betting that most conservatives will presume that this finding is entirely the result of a liberal-led political witch hunt, and disregard the results.
Except that it was instigated by the Alaska legislature, which is Pubbie-controlled. Smiley: laugh
#12 Oct 10 2008 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Mindel wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Longer MSNBC piece.

I wonder what kind of idiotic spin she'll put on this. I think this is it for her. I can't imagine that she'll look good to anyone now.


***** Chicago politics, man. Alaska is where it's at!
I'm betting that most conservatives will presume that this finding is entirely the result of a liberal-led political witch hunt, and disregard the results.
Except that it was instigated by the Alaska legislature, which is Pubbie-controlled. Smiley: laugh
Like that'll matter...
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#13 Oct 10 2008 at 6:48 PM Rating: Default
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Gee! I thought the big deal was about firing the Commissioner guy without cause though, right? That was the whole "Troopergate" issue, that she'd fired the Commish because he wouldn't fire the Trooper. Strange that the fact she was absolved of that wasn't the finding that was quoted... Amazing really!

The first finding was by far the least significant of the set. It's basically saying that she took too personal an issue in something and is the kind of violation you could level at pretty much anyone and get to stick (did you read the definitions in that code? Sheesh!).


The findings basically just exonerated her of any illegality. The ethics violation is nothing. I'm sure all those folks who talked about the firing of the Commissioner will now insist that it was really just the fact that she expressed the opinion that the Trooper wasn't a good guy that they were all upset about. Lol!
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#14 Oct 10 2008 at 6:51 PM Rating: Default
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Except that it was instigated by the Alaska legislature, which is Pubbie-controlled.


State political party affiliations don't really work the same way though. She's being attacked by a combination of people who were aligned politically with the guy(s) she attacked for corruption, and members of the opposition party. She actually had more allies among the Dems in Alaska then the Republicans. Well. Until she was selected for the VP slot and national political alliances trumped the local state stuff...
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#15 Oct 10 2008 at 7:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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It doesn't matter what the legality of what she did Gbaji, what matters is how it plays and how she's seen, and in that the ethics violation is key. Besides aren't you lambasting Obama for having a connection with someone else who you don't like, shouldn't you apply the same kind of standards to the people you support? I really wouldn't want a politician who allows personal issues to determine political action.

To be pedantic if you try and argue that it's a completely different situation, given your obsession with ayers, then you've completely missed my point. My point is not about apples and oranges, it's about how you approach fruit.

Edited, Oct 10th 2008 10:24pm by Xsarus
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#16 Oct 10 2008 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Gee! I thought the big deal was about firing the Commissioner guy without cause though, right?
Umm... no. The "big deal" was the abuse of power in pressuring Alaska state employees to fire Wooten (which was against the rules). The fact that she was legally allowed to fire someone who served at her pleasure was never in dispute. Had she never attempted to use her office to pressure Monegan to fre Wooten and instead just walked in one day and said "Monegan... I hate that fucking tie. You're fired" there never would have been an investigation.

I could see how you'd want to cling to that strawman though.
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The findings basically just exonerated her of any illegality. The ethics violation is nothing.
The ethics violation is, in fact, against Alaska state law in that it violates the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Once again, I'm guessing you're so hung up on saying "Firing Monegan wasn't illegal!" that you'll happily ignore what the actual focus of the case was, but such is life.

Edited, Oct 10th 2008 10:36pm by Jophiel
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#17 Oct 10 2008 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
Obama being on an education board and holding a fundraiser at Ayers house in 1995 wasn't illegal either. Hell, Ayers was ultimately cleared of all charges, iirc.

Since it wasn't illegal, everyone should just shut up about it! Smiley: schooled
#18 Oct 10 2008 at 11:46 PM Rating: Decent
Gbaji, sometimes you try to hard. Tonight would be one of those times.



#19 Oct 11 2008 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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That document's a gbaji-esque way of saying "Palin's judgement isn't to be trusted"

Who'da thunk?

Legality & ethics are easy to view through different lenses, but if a politician (or worse, a national leader) is seen to lack basic judgement skills, they're unelectable in the eyes of rational voters.

Lucky for Palin that a homesy anecdote and a wink will soon swing back her loyal sheep.
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#20 Oct 11 2008 at 7:01 AM Rating: Default
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The fact that it was a bipartisan committee that released it could add to her cachet that she stood up against the Republicans in her state and this is payback.

In the end it looks to me like a tempest in a teapot. Her husband, therefore Palin herself since she didn't stop Todd, tried to get more punishment for a dirtbag state trooper who happened to be a relative of hers. Maybe not "happened," since Todd Palin prolly wouldn't have gone after another trooper guilty of the same crimes who was not related to Sarah, but the punishment the trooper got was exceedingly light for his misconduct.

If this is the extent of your complaints against Palin, your list is awfully short and light on gravitas. I suspect that this is even an issue speaks more to how small the population of Alaska is and how easy it is to be connected to some big names in politics (big fish in a small pond) than any real wrong doing.

Hmmm, tried to fire a dirtbag state trooper or hanging out with an avowed and unrepentant domestic terrorist?

/holds his arms out like they were scales

I'd have to go with Bill Ayers the domestic terrorist for $800, Alex. That displays far more poor judgement to me.

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#21 Oct 11 2008 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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Abusing your position and violating your ethics guidelines for personal reasons, or serving on an education board and having a passing connection with someone who made serious mistakes in the past but has payed for them and moved on. Now of course he is unrepentant, but no one is trying to excuse Ayers for his past actions, it's just that there is nothing that connects him to Obama in any way that causes most people to sit up in alarm. You couldn't produce anything for the last thread either. Hmm. See Totem, I know you're hanging on to this ayers thing like crazy, but honestly most people by now have looked at the issue, realized that there is no real issue here, and have moved on. Whereas with Palin, what you practice at home you'll do in public. If she's used to getting her way regardless, she'll take that to washington.

Edited, Oct 11th 2008 10:28am by Xsarus
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#22REDACTED, Posted: Oct 11 2008 at 7:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So says you until your house blows up. And when it does, I'll be there to remind you about casual connections to domestic terrorists, buddy. Obama + Patriot Act = Al Qaida meets Eagle Eye.
#23REDACTED, Posted: Oct 11 2008 at 9:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the whole thing means nothing. who really cares?
#24 Oct 11 2008 at 9:44 AM Rating: Default
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http://apnews.excite.com/article/20081011/D93ODOHG0.html

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Since she took state office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors, including Franklin Graham, the son of evangelical preacher Billy Graham, records show.


This woman is a cancer that needs to be removed ASAP. She is the one bringing out these crazy frothing-at-the-mouth gun nuts who are yelling "Off with Obama's head" at their political rallies.

Her church affiliations proclaim that when the end times come, and they will come soon, Heaven will descend to earth through Alaska, and Alaska will lead the way in the final battle against the devil and show the people to the light of heaven.

WHY DO WE HAVE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WHO DON'T DISCOURAGE VIOLENT ACTS AGAINST THEIR OPPONENTS?

#25 Oct 11 2008 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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If this is the extent of your complaints against Palin


Yeah, nice try.

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#26 Oct 11 2008 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
What's amusing is that this was a complaint that we had against Palin the second she was announced. Everyone kept expecting it to blow over. It didn't.

As I said before, I heard about Palin from Wonkette when they first broke Troopergate, long before McCain tapped her. It was not an auspicious introduction.
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