I don't know that I agree with you, knox. I have come to the conclusion that everybody had a hand in this fiasco. The banks wanted big (and quick) profits, the Dems wanted to shore up political support by keeping the industry deregulated, the minority special interests and the politicians in their pockets wanted houses for anyone, unpayable mortgages be damned, the Republicans didn't care enough to make a bigger stink about a house of cards, and your average homeowner saw an opportunity to cash in and get more stuff and a larger house to boot. Even foreign countries wanted in on the Ponzi scheme and bought huge chunks of risky mortgages. But to lay it soley at the feet of Bill and the minority poor is-- at least for me --too much of an oversimplification.
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Totem wrote:
But to lay it soley at the feet of Bill and the minority poor is-- at least for me --too much of an oversimplification.
You can take comfort in the fact that next to virus you are a man of nuance and sophistication, Totes.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
It is true I am in a recession/depression proof industry. Flying patients to hospitals will never go away; and with the economic crisis fewer and fewer helicopter pilots will enter the market in an industry that is seeing 40% of its' workforce retire (Vietnam vets) or lose their medical. It costs approximately $50,000 - $70,000 to get your commercial license and then you won't have the experience necessary to get a job and be covered by insurance. Fortunately for me death and destruction never go out of style.
Barring that, the oil & gas industry always needs pilots. I just detest the thought of having to pack up and move. I hate moving and everything associated with it.
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Barring that, the oil & gas industry always needs pilots. I just detest the thought of having to pack up and move. I hate moving and everything associated with it.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Red,
The economic crisis of today can be directly tied to the clintons and their pushing of subprime lending. When republicans said something every sinle democrat involved with freddie and fannie cried racism because most of these subprime loans were going to minorities who shouldn't have been given loans to begin with.
Iraq is not a failure. Parroting lies again I see. Just like Reid proclaiming defeat on the steps of congress.
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Having said that, even today, Republicans are trying to blame the economic crisis on Demorats. Or the failures in Iraq
The economic crisis of today can be directly tied to the clintons and their pushing of subprime lending. When republicans said something every sinle democrat involved with freddie and fannie cried racism because most of these subprime loans were going to minorities who shouldn't have been given loans to begin with.
Iraq is not a failure. Parroting lies again I see. Just like Reid proclaiming defeat on the steps of congress.
Just going to throw this out there: How much debt were we in when Clinton was in office?
How was our economy when Clinton was in office?
You can't blame Clinton for something that was going smoothly during his time, and started declining, not to mention the rapid momentum it gained, when Bush was in office.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Totem,
Which is why people like ourselves will succeed regardless of the political or economic climate.
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All anathema to today's typical American.
Which is why people like ourselves will succeed regardless of the political or economic climate.
Seriously, The Beverly Hillbillies was bad enough when it was fiction.
Totem wrote:
That's a lot of "ifs."
Yes, but we believe in the guy! Belief we can change in, or something...
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What the end product looks like is absolutely our of his control.
Not "absolutely". "Partially" would be more accurate. The way he withdraws from Iraq will matter.
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Stabilize Afganistan? Hmm, tougher nut to crack. A surge isn't necessarily the answer, despite its' success in Iraq. These two countries have different circumstances and history working against each other.
Absolutely, it's a very hard nut to crack, but I imagine that the withdrawal from Iraq can only help. Add to the the fact that Obama understands that the solution can't be purely military, and the fact that his NATO allies will be much more willing to help him out than Bush, it should get better. I'm not saying he's going to turn it into Switzerland overnight, but stablise it somewhat, yes, it's doable.
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Sort out the economy? This pretty much out of his control. As I have said in the past, beyond cheerleading and giving ever-so-slight nudges with interest rates and such, a president doesn't have that much influence on the economy for good or bad. This monster has a mind and life of its' own now and we are just along for the ride.
That's true, but there's a reason for it. When you make every effort to prevent regulation and oversight by the government, then obviously the governmetn doesn't have much control over things. I believe this crisis is the perfect opportunity to wrestle some of that control back, and put it to good use. What the fuck is the point of having a governmetn otherwise? We should be electing CEOs and Investment fund directors if that's where all the power lies...
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Reformation of the health care system will be largely dependent on $$$, something we are desperately short of right now. Beyond mere goldbricking, lipservice, or platitudes nothing will get done until the economy is solidly back on its' feet.
Four years is a long time. All he needs to do is start something in his 3rd year. It's gonna be a long-process anyway, and I don't think anyone expects him to put in place a nationalised health service for all Americans within the next 2 years.
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This is not to say Obama, assuming he is elected, won't be re-elected in 2012, but from where I sit it looks like whoever is in office is going to be a one termer.
Yes, that's what it looks like now, with the current circumstances. But if there's one thing circumstances do, is change. Four years is a long time. And the Republican candidates are pretty weak. They might better in 4 years, but if you guys thrwo us Palin, for exemple, you're toast.
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The economy will crush whoever is the next president.
Maybe, maybe not. If he's clever, and I think he is, he'll use the crisis a starting point to rebuild stuff slowly. NO one enjoys seeing bankers receive $5million dollars bonuses every year, which they put in tax-free acounts, and when they fuck up, they get rescued by the taxpayers. No one. People understand that some things need to change. I think that's the angle he'll go for. "Give me time to reform this mess" kinda thing.
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" Just look at this forum, there isn't a single problem that (fill in the blank with the name of your typical liberal Asylum poster) can't attribute to the neocons/Bush/Republican party."
The difference is that you guys were... in power! The Dems were the opposition party. It's like blaming a player on the bench for the defeat. No, it's the coach's fault, and the coach was a Republican. Slight difference.
Also, did you notice how I didn't include you in that original statement? That's because I like you. I think you're actually quite reasonable and funny and it pains me everytime I see you get rated down, and so I rate you back up. Cos you don't deserve it. You make coherent argument, and if they're not coherent, they're at least amusing. In any case, they're not completely deluded, unlike gbaji and knox.
So there, by now you should've come all over my face, and I can stop with the ****-sucking.
knoxsouthy wrote:
A close friend of mine who recently got out of the navy after 8yrs has told me more than once that Iraq is safer than the hoods in knoxville.
This is the unicorned-utopia of Knoxville where people give back money they've found on the street?
Oh, why have you misled me, VarASS?
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
/lays back smoking a cigarette
Whew. That was real good for me. How 'bout for you, Red?
;)
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Whew. That was real good for me. How 'bout for you, Red?
;)
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Totem wrote:
/lays back smoking a cigarette
Whew. That was real good for me. How 'bout for you, Red?
;)
Totem
Whew. That was real good for me. How 'bout for you, Red?
;)
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My eye is still itching, and I'll need some strong shampoo, but other than that I'm good :)
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