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#1 Oct 08 2008 at 7:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've been thinking about this for a month now. Well, longer, really; but since the first debate, certainly.

Do you think McCain has been set up to lose by his own party? That their position was just so weak after eight years of BushCo that they decided to throw a loser under the bus and regroup for 2012?

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#2 Oct 08 2008 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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#3 Oct 08 2008 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
I've been thinking about this for a month now. Well, longer, really; but since the first debate, certainly.

Do you think McCain has been set up to lose by his own party? That their position was just so weak after eight years of BushCo that they decided to throw a loser under the bus and regroup for 2012?

Quite the contrary: I believe they thought McCain, being the "maverick" as he endlessly goes on about, was the least Republican Republican they could field. They needed to space themselves from the Bush regime, so if they wanted any hope of winning, they needed the closest thing to a non-Republican they could find, but one they could still bamboozle into doing their bidding once elected.
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Quite the contrary: I believe they thought McCain, being the "maverick" as he endlessly goes on about, was the least Republican Republican they could field. They needed to space themselves from the Bush regime, so if they wanted any hope of winning, they needed the closest thing to a non-Republican they could find, but one they could still bamboozle into doing their bidding once elected.
And then picked an inexperianced Vp who would be forced to seek "Advice from her peers" before most critial decisions should the old man fall over mid term.
#5 Oct 08 2008 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd like to believe that, to assume the men running the Pubbie machine are just stupid and took a bad misstep; but my cynicism level is stuck at 11.

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#6 Oct 08 2008 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
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What would happen if McCain croaked today?
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#7 Oct 08 2008 at 7:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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What would happen if McCain croaked today?
Varus would have us believe it was a brilliant campain statergy designed to unbalance the Dem's and ensure that "Queen" palin would win because all Democrats are evil Commies and Marxists..
#8 Oct 08 2008 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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What would happen if McCain croaked today?
The party would have to declare a new nominee for the ticket.

I'm guessing they're regretting not having Mitt "Master of the Economy" Romney on the ticket right about now.
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#9 Oct 08 2008 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
What would happen if McCain croaked today?


What do you mean? It wouldn't have a practical effect except that Palin would probably become the candidate of choice and would most likely choose a well-know Republican as her running mate.

Or, in an emergency meeting I suppose the RNC could try to yoink Romney or someone to be the candidate for Pres.

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#10 Oct 08 2008 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
I've been thinking about this for a month now. Well, longer, really; but since the first debate, certainly.

Do you think McCain has been set up to lose by his own party? That their position was just so weak after eight years of BushCo that they decided to throw a loser under the bus and regroup for 2012?




I approve this conspiracy theory. Why waste a good candidate right now? Let the republicans get it back in 2012. Afterall, there has got to be someone better then this cadaver.

Edited, Oct 8th 2008 11:59am by bubspeed
#11 Oct 08 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Elinda wrote:
What would happen if McCain croaked today?


What do you mean? It wouldn't have a practical effect except that Palin would probably become the candidate of choice and would most likely choose a well-know Republican as her running mate.

Or, in an emergency meeting I suppose the RNC could try to yoink Romney or someone to be the candidate for Pres.

I haven't a clue what the RNC might do, but seems like maybe they'd have a contingency plan considering the age and health status of McCain.

It might mess up their conspiracy though if McCain couldn't hang on til the election.
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#12 Oct 08 2008 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, yeah, he's old and has some health problems but there's no reason to believe he's going to die right away, unless he implodes during a debate.

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#13 Oct 08 2008 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
In the event McCain croaked, Mitty Mitty Bang Bang would get his spot.

He'd probably have Palin foisted onto him as his VP, but since she was nominated and not chosen through a primary process, it would be anathema to stick her on the top of the ticket. I'm not sure there's a precedent, since in the old days before the party system was firmly established, the runner up on election day was the VP.

I supposed they could reconvene the delegation and ask for a do-over with Palin as a scribbled write-in, but I believe the party rules say that if McCain dies before the election the runner up in delegates gets the ticket.

Same thing, if Obama has a freak heart attack before Nov 4th, then we get HRC as the Dem candidate.

On the other hand, AFTER the election, if McCain wins but dies before inauguration, or if Obama wins but dies before inauguration, per the Constitution the VP is inaugurated as if they were elected.

So it's in the evangelicals best interest to keep McCain alive until Nov 4th, then mix up his meds on Nov 5th, if they want a Palin prez.
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So it's in the evangelicals best interest to keep McCain alive until Nov 4th, then mix up his meds on Nov 5th, if they want a Palin prez.
Technically, you'd want to hold off on your accident until after the Electoral College convenes and officially votes him in. Otherwise you may get faithless electors in December casting ballots for the ghost of Ronald Reagan or something.
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#15 Oct 08 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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No, I don't think McCain has been set up to fail by the Republicans, but him being the choice to be nominee is in reaction to Bush, that is he is considerably more moderate than Bush ever was, despite the tar baby effect the Black Neo has given him.

However, this will be McCain's last trip on the merry-go-'round. He'll finish his career in the Senate never to run for president again, regardless his lifespan. And maybe that'll be a good thing for him, much as it has been for Teddy Kennedy. To achieve our nation's highest office would quite possibly diminish the legacy either of them will leave behind.

That said, whoever becomes president will likely be a one termer, because the economy will utterly crush whoever is in office. FDR Obama ain't. And neither is McCain. Nearly every piece of legislation they'd love to move through a vilified Congress will be severely hampered by extraordinarily tight purse strings, thus leaving either of them a lame duck in 2010.

To speak to your original question, though, Sammy, I'd suggest the Clinton's half-hearted support points to them wishing Obama fails miserably so that Hillary can swoop in in 2012 and tell the Democratic Party, "See? I told you you should have nominated me in 2008!"

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#17 Oct 08 2008 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, that response made no sense out here in the world.

Totem - agreed, but schadenfreude isn't the same as conspiracy.
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#18 Oct 08 2008 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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Well, true, Sammy, except in a vast Left-wing Clinton conspiracy kind of way. I submit to you, both Hillary and Bill have conspired together to not actively work towards Obama's victory except to damn him with faint praise.

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#19 Oct 08 2008 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe. But in a conspiracy they would have tried to subvert him, I'd think. I didn't see that happen.
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#20 Oct 08 2008 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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/shrugs
Who knows? Maybe Obama specifically asked them not to stump for him, thinking the lesser the voting public sees of the Clintons, the lesser they will mentally tie the excesses of Bill's years in office as a Democrat to him. But it is remarkable how little we have seen of the Clintons since the nomination.

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#21 Oct 08 2008 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
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Who knows? Maybe Obama specifically asked them not to stump for him, thinking the lesser the voting public sees of the Clintons, the lesser they will mentally tie the excesses of Bill's years in office as a Democrat to him. But it is remarkable how little we have seen of the Clintons since the nomination.

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The Clintons are kinda a mixed signal. There's a camp that loves the policies and economic gains from his administration, and a camp that condemns him for the scandals. Perhaps the Obama campaign feels its better to leave them out altogether, and attempt to gain positives elsewhere.

Edited, Oct 8th 2008 12:46pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
#22 Oct 08 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think Totem was closer to the mark, actually. Bill Clinton was a very popular President, and reputedly at least he is incandescently charismatic in person. I'm sure Obama, who tends to be understated and who is often described as "professorial", prefers not to stand in the Clinton aura.

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#23 Oct 08 2008 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Yep. Moreover, Bill has demonstrated time and time again he has little or no desire or ability to dial his charisma down. He frequently usurped his wife's headlines by simply being Bill, and frankly, I believe Obsama is wise to avoid the same pitfall. If the polls are to be believed, the Clinton's presence on the campaign trail is a non-factor in energizing the party faithful and among independents Obama is better off without them.

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The Clintons were stumping for Obama in south Texas a few days ago. That's probably the best use for them -- send 'em to places where Hillary won big in the primaries to drum up support from Clinton strongholds.

Not that I think they'll flip Texas but they might cause McCain to waste some time or money there.
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#26 Oct 08 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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mccain is a good man.
I honestly believe this. I think his own party is brewing him into a stew that he doesn't really want. I don't think he wanted to be landed with Palin and used as a far-right stooge just to win the election.
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