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Varus, hun, you have no idea what's typical of me. :p
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Why doe sit always have to turn into a race discussion?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Do you imagine that a community organizer is like a closet organizer?
'Cause it isn't, truly.
'Cause it isn't, truly.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Mindel,
I know your refuse to aknowledge anything that might derail your liberal fantasies.
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Varus, hun, you have no idea what's typical of me. :p
I know your refuse to aknowledge anything that might derail your liberal fantasies.
Or a democrat.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Take a look at most urban neighborhoods and tell me if the current welfare system is working. At some point we're going to have to stop giving money to people who refuse to work.
Welfare might not be perfect. Some people abuse it. Some might not make the best use of it. Sure.
But on the scale of problems, it's tiny. Why don't you ever rant about tax evasion? Tax havens? Creative acounting that caused the economy to crash? Pointless wars that get 18 year old massacred, or disabled for life?
Seriously, there are so many things more damaging than welfare, in the grand scheme of things. Welfare helps some people. It's not a magic wand, nor a silver bullet, but it's a start. If you wanna conitue heling poor people be less poor, how about raising the education standards? Raising minimum wage? Increasing sexual education in schools?
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How do you allow for welfare of children and those truly incapable of caring for themselves and keep those who simply refuse to work from receiving anything?
Didn't you read D1ckens?
Orphanages!
or
Sell them to factories!
or
Send them out west to kiddie ranches!
Surely, we'd save them from the decadent and sinful life of the slothful single mother--we'll deliver them from ruin!
It's about time you stand up and declare war against poor single mothers--a far bigger threat to our economy than some multinational corporation!
Knox, most of your rhetoric is similar to stuff from the victorian era, at least how you characterize the families. They just kind of changed the blame of poverty from the drink to the welfare--always blaming something for poverty. Just not rich people.
Most of the problems you see in depressed areas are because of POVERTY, not b/c of welfare.
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 12:14pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Mindel wrote:
I'm not a liberal, though. 
Or a democrat.
Or a democrat.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Debo,
Apparently because you can't ask questions of Obama's past without being a racist.
How's the southside of chicago doing today? See that's racist.
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Why doe sit always have to turn into a race discussion?
Apparently because you can't ask questions of Obama's past without being a racist.
How's the southside of chicago doing today? See that's racist.
What's racist about that? Sure, there's a bunch of crime. Is that Obama's fault? Is that where his community activism was centered? I'm sure that's not hard at all to find out.
Racism aside, it's also not hard at all to find out about the state of Bush's business ventures. Those were apparently ignored for two electoral cycles.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Jophiel wrote:
Mindel wrote:
I'm not a liberal, though.
Or a democrat.
Or a democrat.
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'At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, 'it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.'
'Are there no prisons?"
'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?'
'Both very busy, sir.'
'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.'
'Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,' returned the gentleman, 'a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?'
'Nothing!' Scrooge replied.
'You wish to be anonymous?'
'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.'
'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.'
'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
'Are there no prisons?"
'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?'
'Both very busy, sir.'
'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.'
'Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,' returned the gentleman, 'a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?'
'Nothing!' Scrooge replied.
'You wish to be anonymous?'
'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.'
'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.'
'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
The resident troll wrote:
Apparently because you can't ask questions of Obama's past without being a racist.
How's the southside of chicago doing today? See that's racist.
How's the southside of chicago doing today? See that's racist.
you wrote:
As opposed to a black kid getting good grades simply due to the colour of his skin?
knoxsouthy wrote:
Red,
Because if the tax system was equitable we wouldn't have to worry about those things.
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Why don't you ever rant about tax evasion? Tax havens? Creative acounting that caused the economy to crash?
Because if the tax system was equitable we wouldn't have to worry about those things.
Where was McCain during Hurricane Katrina? Bringing Cake to Bush!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0097-515h.html
OH, btw, the deaths related to Katrina were 1800 in all, twice as much as the Chicago Heat Wave.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0097-515h.html
OH, btw, the deaths related to Katrina were 1800 in all, twice as much as the Chicago Heat Wave.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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Obviously you don't know the difference between "stated" and "implied".
When an implication is so awkwardly wielded the difference is moot.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
knoxsouthy wrote:
His time as a community organizer did nothing to help the residents of south chicago. And in fact over 700 people died in chicago in 1995 due to a massive heat wave. That's more than was lost after Katrina. What did Obama do to curb those deaths?
knoxsouthy wrote:
Obviously you don't know the difference between "stated" and "implied". And i've asked repeatedly what cases Obama has argued that distinguish him. His time as a community organizer did nothing to help the residents of south chicago. And in fact over 700 people died in chicago in 1995 due to a massive heat wave. That's more than was lost after Katrina. What did Obama do to curb those deaths? How did he reach out to the community during that time. These are questions that remain unaswered and unasked. People have stopped asking for fear of being labeled racist.
A lot more than 700 people died due to Katrina. What exactly do you mean by "after Katrina"?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Mindel wrote:
knoxsouthy wrote:
His time as a community organizer did nothing to help the residents of south chicago. And in fact over 700 people died in chicago in 1995 due to a massive heat wave. That's more than was lost after Katrina. What did Obama do to curb those deaths?
knoxsouthy wrote:
Ash,
Like i've said Democrats care nothing for freedom and independence, this little quote of yours emphasizes this point.
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Yeah, the poor, put-upon wealthy class. I feel so badly for them
Like i've said Democrats care nothing for freedom and independence, this little quote of yours emphasizes this point.
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