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It's not my job to prove your whacko claims. You wanna make a claim, back it up, don't expect us to do your legwork for you.

Jill Stanek.



I admittedly know nothing about "NewsHounds.us." All I could really find when searching for her name was this one site, and a bunch of right wing and "pro-life" sites.

Ahh, Jill Stanek, darling of the extreme anti-choicers. A radical anti-choice blogger who was fired from her hospital for violating medical ethics rules and patient confidentiality laws. A woman whose claims (cited by Varrus) were investigated by the Illinois Department of Health and found to have absolutely no substance. A woman who believes that Chinese people eat their babies and called Michael J. Fox a cannibal for being promoting stem cell research.

Edited, Oct 10th 2008 11:36am by Mindel

Also, my mother nearly died when pregnant with me. She had severe hypertension and was confined to her bed for the last 4 months. As the due date approached, the doctors decided that she needed to have an emergency c-section because she would not have survived a vaginal birth and that a surgical birth offered a better chance of her (and the children, she was having twins) living. It was very touch and go, and she spent few days in ICU, but she pulled through and is still kicking 30 years later. I am also, obviously, still around. My sister was stillborn.

That depends. On accusations that can actually be investigated, I feel the media has done a fair enough job. For example, with the Ayers thing, we have the statements made by Barack and his wife, and we know rather precisely the details of the common work they've done together in Chicago in the past, to the point of having a nearly complete record of every meeting they ever had. There's just nothing there that supports the idea that they're BFFs. Sorry, that's the fact.

I work with plenty of people whom I consider friendly acquaintances. I've been to their homes, even, but they're not my friends and they don't have any influence over my life.

According to the WHO, 17 women die in the US for every 100000 live births due to the complications of pregnancy. Globally, about half a million women die annually due to obstetric complications. I cannot believe you're seriously contending that pregnancy never puts a woman's life in danger. That's moronic even for you, darlin'.

Edited, Oct 10th 2008 12:06pm by Mindel

varrus, are you trying to claim that women's lives are never in danger during child birth? Seriously?

edit: refresh before replying /facepalm

Edited, Oct 10th 2008 11:12am by Xsarus

I didn't say it was my only proof--your "challenge" was to give AN instance, and that one was front and center in my mind because this close friend of mine SHOULD have aborted, but her religious inclination prevented it, and so now she has even her non-religious friends praying for her safety.

The fact is that childbirth is one of the, if not THE, most dangerous experience a woman can go through. If you add certain pre-existing medical conditions on top of that (diabetes, for example, can cause all sorts of complications), then you have a situation where morbidity or mortality is not only predictable, but in some cases, virtually guaranteed. There's not a doctor in the world who will dispute that fact. Women die in childbirth or simply due to complications related to carrying a pregnancy to near-term. Some of those deaths are predictable and can be prevented with abortions. It's that simple.

Um, OK.

And that's some interesting "logic" you're implying there. Doctors don't generally perform treatments that aren't medically indicated. If the world operated the way you're suggesting, we'd all be getting chemotherapy because there's a chance we might get cancer.