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belkira,



Except for infants of course.

You mean like facts that obama's political career was launched in the home of a self-named terrorist? Or facts like obama's the number 2 receiving donor from fannie or that three former Fannie Mae executives are linked to the Obama campaign as economic advisors.

Or how about the fact that Saddam was a threat to the US before W took him out as evidenced by the fact that we had already been to war with him in the previous decade?

Don't talk to me about facts because I post more links to support my statements than the rest of you combined.

That is untrue.

You'd think so. But there have been cases where a botched partial birth abortion resulted in a full birth and the child/infant/whatever was not granted the rights you'd expect and no charges of murder were filed against those who stood by and let it die at that point.


I get that there may have been other requirements in the bill that Obama opposed that he disagreed with, but I think it's a lame argument for Obama to say that he opposed the bill because existing laws already protected "infants". Clearly, there's something missing in the laws that needs to be put into place. Denying that makes it easier to blanketly refuse to allow any new legislation at all, but is IMO the wrong approach and shows that the politician in question is more concerned with supporting his "side" of the issue than seeking out reasonable laws as a whole.

The bigger issue to this (and a common theme) is that it shows a strong partisan streak in Obama. A true centrist tries to find the middle ground of an issue. Yet he's essentially supporting his side no matter how trivial or reasonable the change being proposed. I get that on contentious issues the politics often resembles a tug-of-war, but to me this just calls into question Obama's oft-repeated claims of being a moderate.

You'll have better luck squeezing water from a rock.

Nexa

Now could you please provide an instance of a mother whose life was in danger by giving birth?

Nothing is impartial when it comes to the abortion arguement. You asked for proof and I posted an example of a NURSE giving it. Has it occurred to you that what this woman, this nurse, saw first hand is the reason she's pro-life now?

Dr. Theodore Kemp, noted obstetrician and pro-choice advocate, notes that it's extremely unlikely for these urban myths about live babies being warehoused in a hospital to die to have any basis in reality. "The comings and goings of the day-to-day function of a hospital would make it all but impossible."