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Funny how we've gone from......and......to "how much power they personally wield isn't relevant" when questioned on it.

So... Ayers doesn't wield all this influence but it's an "obvious fact" that Ayers placed Obama in the Illinois State Senate anyway? Interesting.

REDE MOAR BLOGZ

Edited, Oct 7th 2008 2:09pm by Jophiel

Gbaji, you should realize that crack is whack.

I liked this commentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-P-rBQnKHk&e

I'm still trying to figure out this influence deal. Once we have that settled, we can move on. So you're saying that Ayers does or does not weild massive political influence and can place people in state senate seats?



Are there non-radical terrorists? Mainstream terrorists, perhaps?

Is it that difficult for you to answer a question?

Really, where is your fact based reference to this?

But that's a group that kills brown people, so it's all good!

They are freedom fighters!

You do see how those aren't contradictory, don't you? One can be a strong supporter and driving influence on a politician without having to wield massive power. He clearly has had much influence on Obama's political career. That doesn't mean that the guy is the head of a political cabal. He's one part of a group of people who have some common political goals.

Do I now have to prove to you guys that political organizations exist and influence the politicians they support? If a politician's "coming out" party is held by a senior member of the Sierra Club, I'm going to assume that the ideals of the Sierra Club are held by that politician (or at least he's supporting their agenda). If it's held by the KKK, I'm going to have yet another opinion of the politicians political positions. Similarly, when it's held at the home of William Ayers, I'm going to have yet another view.


Get it?

In a word, yes.

They fought against the freedom of people to decide the form of government they wanted.

Are you under the delusion that everyone who sits on every committee in every community organization in the country agrees with each other? Or even necessarily shares a similar point of view?

Because I can tell you, committee meetings would go a fUCk of a lot faster if that were the case.

How long are you going to dance around, avoiding the question? You stated several things were factual regarding Ayers' level of influence. You used the phrase "Obvious fact". I'm asking you to back them up.

Not surprisingly, given your usual habit of making shit up and declaring it to be absolutely true, you'll now sit and cry about how we're all off on tangents or not looking at the big picture. So, once again, I'll say that I'm happy to look at your big pictures after you support your previous statements. Why can't you just answer the question instead of finding every possible reason to claim that your previous assertations don't matter and no one should ask about them?

Boy, for someone who ******* that Obama's campaign doesn't want to examine the past, you're running scared from statements you made not even 24 hours ago

Edited, Oct 7th 2008 4:13pm by Jophiel