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#52 Oct 01 2008 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Interesting little piece on NY Times website around Biden/Palin debating styles and perhaps a small glimpse ahead to Thursday.

http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=ebfac2eaf3489d19fc07c79758598d8b02b3dcbb

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#53 Oct 01 2008 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously, if she HAD any opinions other than Roe v Wade, she should have said something. The fact that she was silent and had no opinions on any other cases indicates to me that she simply doesn't give a sh*t what the SCOTUS does as long as it overturns Roe v Wade.


I'd like to hear a reporter ask Obama to support his stance on 3rd tri-mester abortions on demand without consulting a teens parents. I'm guessing we won't hear one of those. Forcing Obama to say that he supports infanticide might not go over so well with the general public and the media knows this.


Maybe I should lurk here more often (chatting about MMO's all day can get boring), but is the guy for real or just a sock puppet that shows the absurdity of extremist views?
#54 Oct 01 2008 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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calindc wrote:
knoxsouthy wrote:
catwho,

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Seriously, if she HAD any opinions other than Roe v Wade, she should have said something. The fact that she was silent and had no opinions on any other cases indicates to me that she simply doesn't give a sh*t what the SCOTUS does as long as it overturns Roe v Wade.


I'd like to hear a reporter ask Obama to support his stance on 3rd tri-mester abortions on demand without consulting a teens parents. I'm guessing we won't hear one of those. Forcing Obama to say that he supports infanticide might not go over so well with the general public and the media knows this.


Maybe I should lurk here more often (chatting about MMO's all day can get boring), but is the guy for real or just a sock puppet that shows the absurdity of extremist views?


I can only hope the latter, but...
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#55 Oct 01 2008 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe I should lurk here more often (chatting about MMO's all day can get boring), but is the guy for real or just a sock puppet that shows the absurdity of extremist views?
He's a real person but I assume he's a conservative who intentionally posts over the top crap to troll.

We humor him largely to humor ourselves. No one thinks it'll matter but it's fun to point out his idiocy.
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#56 Oct 01 2008 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I assume he's a conservative who intentionally posts over the top crap to troll.


I think you give him too much credit. Smiley: tongue
#57 Oct 01 2008 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Varrus could be trolling, but only a little. I live here, a lot of his views are shared by quite a few of the idiots around here.

In some ways, southerners deserve the stereotypes placed on them. Smiley: frown
#58 Oct 01 2008 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Varrus could be trolling, but only a little. I live here, a lot of his views are shared by quite a few of the idiots around here.

In some ways, southerners deserve the stereotypes placed on them. Smiley: frown


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#61 Oct 01 2008 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
Hey! I'm a southerner!

I just happen to live in a liberal hippie college town.
#62 Oct 01 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Obama supports third trimester abortions. That's a FACT.


Then it shouldn't be hard to produce evidence of this "fact". Cite, please, numbnuts.
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#63 Oct 01 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Hey! I'm a southerner!

I just happen to live in a liberal hippie college town.


I'm a southerner, too. Always been one. And I have the distinct pleasure of living practically down the street from knoxvarrus. Yay.

Varrus, how do you know what my views are?
#64 Oct 01 2008 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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Then it shouldn't be hard to produce evidence of this "fact". Cite, please, numbnuts.
And while you're at it provide us with some evidence you have a IQ higher than a root vegetable.

Edited, Oct 1st 2008 5:31pm by tarv
#65 Oct 01 2008 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lady Tare wrote:
knoxsouthy wrote:
Obama supports third trimester abortions. That's a FACT.


Then it shouldn't be hard to produce evidence of this "fact". Cite, please, numbnuts.


I'll accept it at face value, personally. Such a procedure would be done in the last extremity anyway.

No one would have this procedure on a lark. It's ridiculous to debate it as if that were true.

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#66 Oct 01 2008 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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I'll accept it at face value, personally. Such a procedure would be done in the last extremity anyway.

No one would have this procedure on a lark. It's ridiculous to debate it as if that were true.
Smiley: nod I'm sure if Virus's wife (Smiley: lol yeah right) was told in her trimester that she had 4 hours to live unless they aborted the baby, who would almost certainly die anyway, he too would support the abortion.
#67 Oct 01 2008 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, that scenario gives me second thoughts, since obviously mother and child would be better off dead.

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#68 Oct 01 2008 at 2:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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To rewind the tape just a little bit, McCain said that he trusts that the "very respected" Ifill will do a "professional job".
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#69 Oct 01 2008 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
Will she be briefed on what the morning after pill is?

And, do you think Sarah will figure out which magazines and newspapers she, Sarah "Journalism Major" Palin, reads by tomorrow?

More Palin/Couric Lulz.



Edited, Oct 1st 2008 7:28pm by Omegavegeta
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#70gbaji, Posted: Oct 01 2008 at 4:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well. With such a clearly non-partisan source like that, who could doubt this?
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If she'd named some magazines, how much you want to bet that her home and office subscriptions would be "leaked" to the media and you'd all be talking about how she lied about what magazines she read? The fact that you can regularly read a magazine without actually owning a subscription would be ignored of course as everyone would fall over themselves to talk about it, and that would be yet another news cycle of Palin bashing. She was smart enough to avoid that.
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#72 Oct 01 2008 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol... I suppose the hack of her email account right after she insisted that there was nothing in those emails relating to troopergate was just a coincidence?



Even beyond that though, the very question was belittling. The implication given by even asking it was that Palin's only source of knowledge was reading magazines. If Palin had answered, the entire issue would have turned to what she learned by reading magazines (again with the assumption that that's all she knows). Exactly as her statement about being able to see Russia from Alaska has magically meant that this is all she knows about Russia.

It's belittling because the very fact that you ask the question means you assume the person you're talking too isn't very knowledgeable on whatever topic you're discussing. It's the interview equivalent to "have you stopped beating your wife". If you don't list what magazines you've read, you're painted as dumb because you don't know what you read. If you do, the entire context of your knowledge is assumed to be based on reading magazines (with a ton of spin potential that can lead from there).


Her biggest problem so far in these interviews hasn't been identifying those sorts of questions, but correctly attacking the interviewer back on them. She's avoiding the trap questions, but she's getting so many of them that they end up still dominating the coverage. What she should have said was that magazine articles are not the extent of her understanding of foreign policy.


Just to be specific, here's the question she was asked:

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COURIC: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?



Do you see how this is a "complex question"? By answering it, she's accepting the premise in the question that reading magazines is what has "established her worldview". That's the real trap. There's no correct answer except to turn it around. Unfortunately, she recognized the trap and refused to fall into it, but didn't successfully turn it around. The correct answer is to say that your worldview isn't formed just by reading magazines (and newspapers).


I'll also point out that there was an implied assumption in there as well that since Alaska is "remote" that this somehow means that Palin doesn't have access to the same information that others do. Can you imagine any interviewer ever asking someone from the Beltway this question? Why not? In what way does being from Alaska automatically mean that you are less informed then someone from say Virginia or Massachusetts?


To her credit, Palin did actually address this, just not forcefully enough IMO:

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PALIN: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news too. Alaska isn’t a foreign country, where, it’s kind of suggested and it seems like, “Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C. may be thinking and doing when you live up there in Alaska?” Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.



She's correctly responding to the real question which is "How can you know anything important if you live waaaaaay over there in Alaska". She's not polished enough to do this without fumbling a bit, but her responses did show she's savvy enough to know when she's being cornered with a question and not fall into it blindly.

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#73 Oct 01 2008 at 5:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously... Smiley: tinfoilhat

You will go through the most amusing contortions to defend anything that happens from the McCain camp. It's funny, but probably not healthy.

You're right though -- she's way too savvy to fall for Katie Couric's evil mastermind tricks. Fortunately, Palin evaded Couric by making a laughingstock of herself instead. Brilliant!
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#74 Oct 01 2008 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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#75 Oct 01 2008 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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CBS posted the Supreme Court clip.

Oh, sweet Jesus...

Gbaji! Get ready to decry it as "Gotcha Journalism"... GO GO GO!!!!
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#76 Oct 01 2008 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
If I could have, I would have JUST hperlinked the video. But oh well.

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Couric: Some people have credited the morning-after pill for decreasing the number of abortions. How do you feel about the morning-after pill?

Palin: Well, I am all for contraception. And I am all for preventative measures that are legal and save(sic), and should be taken, but Katie, again, I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception. And I would like to see …

Couric: And so you don't believe in the morning-after pill?

Palin: ... I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world. And again, I haven't spoken with anyone who disagrees with my position on that.

Couric: I'm sorry, I just want to ask you again. Do you not support or do you condone or condemn the morning-after pill.

Palin: Personally, and this isn't McCain-Palin policy …

Couric: No, that's OK, I'm just asking you.

Palin: But personally, I would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception.


She'll understand these things eventually, but most candidates figure these things out before they're candidates, dontcha know?
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