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#102 Oct 01 2008 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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Who knows, the Pubbies may get lucky and manage to yoink her off last-minute due to the "sudden controversy" regarding the book that she's BEEN PROMOTING SINCE FOREVER. Who the hell does the McCain campaign think it's kidding when they say they weren't aware of it?

Seriously, what sort of transparent tactic to delay/cancel the VP debate is next? Combing through Biden's **** until they find someone who resembles Palin so they can accuse him of rampant misogyny? Slipping something into Trig's formula so that he spikes a fever and she has to invoke FMLA? WTF??
#103 Oct 01 2008 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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So attacking Republicans for two days straight when you're supposedly working on a bi-partisan solution to a major problem isn't childish...
Scuttling a bill because your precious and fragile feelings were hurt by a speech is childish. Rising above would have been the right thing to do.


I can equally say that bashing the other party while asking them to pass a bi-partisan bill is childish, and that Pelosi should have risen above that for the sake of the bill she wanted to pass.

Here's the difference though. Pelosi had to actively decide to be a problem in this situation. She choose to open her mouth and attack Republicans. That's going out of your way to put negativity into the issue.

Republicans largely didn't want to vote for the bill anyway Joph. The point is that they were being asked to do something they didn't want to do, and were willing to do it "for the good of the country" and in the name of a bi-partisan solution. But Pelosi couldn't set aside her own rancor for 48 hours.


But they're childish? Lol...

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By the way, it's been a lot of fun watching the GOP backpedal furiously from this after realizing how fucking retarded it made them look. After much mockery of Cantor's tantrum, waving around Pelosi's speech and Boehner explictly saying that it was the cause, we suddenly have GOP people "No! No! That was never it!"


It never ceases to amaze me how you can assume that all Republicans are in lockstep one second, then point out how Republican's aren't in agreement the other, then switch back again, all based on which is more convenient for your argument of the moment.

Those are different Republicans Joph. Some of the leaders wanted to make a deal. Many of the rank and file folks didn't want to. Some were willing to go along as a bi-partisan effort. They got pissed because Pelosi made it clear that she wasn't treating this as bi-partisan anything. The leaders correctly stated that those Republicans said no because of Pelosi. At no point does this change the fact that the bulk of Republicans said no because they didn't like the Bill.


It's pretty obvious that roughly 2/3rds of Republicans were going to vote no on that bill before Pelosi ever uttered a word. So let's not pretend that there's one united "GOP" voice here, and lets not act shocked when some say one thing and some say another...


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Quick, tell them that it's REALLY Pelsoi who looks stupid and childish in this! They should embrace their temper tantrums because it was mean ole Grandma Pelosi who REALLY did it!


I know you desperately don't want to accept this, but the reality is that Pelosi screwed this up. We can debate whether the bill itself was a good idea, but for those who did want to pass it, Pelosi is clearly to blame. She was in the camp of people who wanted it to pass, and she did things that caused it not to. I'm not sure how much more clear that can be. No amount of pointing at people who didn't want the bill in the first place matters, yet you seem to place so much weight on those irrelevancies...


Almost pathological really.
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#104 Oct 01 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know you desperately don't want to accept this
Oh, I don't think I'm the desperate one here.

How's that "campaign suspension to fix the economy!!!" thing working for McCain? Smiley: laugh
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#105 Oct 01 2008 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smiley: laugh!!
#106 Oct 01 2008 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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Republicans largely didn't want to vote for the bill anyway Joph. The point is that they were being asked to do something they didn't want to do, and were willing to do it "for the good of the country" and in the name of a bi-partisan solution. But Pelosi couldn't set aside her own rancor for 48 hours.

It's pretty obvious that roughly 2/3rds of Republicans were going to vote no on that bill before Pelosi ever uttered a word. So let's not pretend that there's one united "GOP" voice here, and lets not act shocked when some say one thing and some say another...


It's interesting, in one paragraph the republicans were willing, and then in the next they weren't. hmmm. So lay it to me, did pelosi have an effect or didn't she? It seems your saying yes and no at the same time. Well, I guess it goes with the some say one thing and some say another, except from the same person. Which is pretty much politics as usual.
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#107 Oct 01 2008 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Glad at least one of my senators voted against it. Then again, it seems like Kohl votes yes on everything so no change.
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