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#1 Sep 25 2008 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
obama nailed it,

mccain bet the farm running to washington and dareing obama not to would make him look like a leader and obama like a follower in addition to the added bonus of resceduling his foreign policy debate untill after the hoopla over the bail out was over.

obama played it cool. yep, he went to washington, but nope, he didnt bite on resceduling the debate. "i can do both, why cant you?"

then mccain choked up in washington and babeled aimlessly as he relly had no purpose to be there and ended up skutteling the bail out because he wouldnt throw his political weight behind it and gave the hard line conservatives an easy exit from the negotiating table.

THEN

palin and her foreign policy news interview. ROFL, im an expert on foreign relations because i live next to russia. hahahahaha, omg, who let her out of her cage? some repub is in deep do do. i lived the questions on israel too. should we second guess them? no. can we express our views even if it goes against their policy? yes.

omg, she was flipflopping in every other sentence. AND she got the questions ahead of time.

she came off totally.....clueless.

if obama looses, it could only be prejudice that does him in. carter could beat the repubs again right now.
#2 Sep 26 2008 at 3:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Sep 26 2008 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
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The funny thing is McCain didn't actually suspend his campaign or go to Washington, he just said that he was going to.

He arrived in Washington around the same time as Obama for a photo-op and then didn't really help the situation because HE DIDN'T READ THE PROPOSAL BEFORE HE SAT DOWN AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE. IT IS 3 PAGES LONG! But it probably doesn't matter because he admittedly doesn't understand the economy and would be no help in the discussions anyway.

The debate tonight should be interesting.

Are they going to let those Green party or Independent candidates attend? Of course not...
#4 Sep 26 2008 at 7:46 AM Rating: Default
the house republicans are trying to distance themselves with this very unpopular bail out......initiated by a republican president in behest im sure of republican lobbiest.

they raise a stink, and reluctantly go back to the table, and in the media it comes out like they are playing ball with a DEMOCRATIC plan. they want to turn all that negativeivity about this autrocity of a plan against the dems.

they are playing politics with the bail out plan.

its a huge gamble. i dont really think they are going to be able to convince the public that its a dem plan to swing voters into their camp who are against it. its a republican mess, with a republican quick fix.

and the dems are doing a GREAT job of placing not only the mess at the repubs feet, but the inability to even come to the table to figure out a fix.

and they NEED to keep hammering it home every time they step in front of a microphone too. they need to make sure the repubs DO NOT get a sound bite laying this very very unpopular atrocity at the dems feet.

this is the election changer. if the repubs can lay this bail out at the dems feet as a dem plan, its over for the dems. if the dems can keep people focused on the fact that this mess is a republican mess, and this bail out is a republican initiated plan, and that the impass is a republican impass who cant seem to even get a team together at the table for a fix.......by by mccain.

so far, the dems are doing a fantastic job. mccains hard roll of the dice on this issue is backfiring.

the ONLY thing that could possibly stop a dem presidency at this point is for obama to really ***** up, or for the dems to have underestamated the tide of racial prejudice in america still. a stigma tainting this country that will be blown out of the water in front of the whole world if he does win.
#5 Sep 26 2008 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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The funny thing is McCain didn't actually suspend his campaign or go to Washington, he just said that he was going to.

He arrived in Washington around the same time as Obama for a photo-op and then didn't really help the situation because HE DIDN'T READ THE PROPOSAL BEFORE HE SAT DOWN AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE. IT IS 3 PAGES LONG! But it probably doesn't matter because he admittedly doesn't understand the economy and would be no help in the discussions anyway.

The debate tonight should be interesting.

Are they going to let those Green party or Independent candidates attend? Of course not...


Got a citation for this? This is good. I want to use it like a club to bash over the head some naive Republican on my LiveJournal friends list who thinks McCain rode in on a white charger and salvaged the whole damn thing.
#6 Sep 26 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1
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#7REDACTED, Posted: Sep 26 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You think this a republican mess? This is bad for the whole country and you are worried about how good the "dems" will look and how bad the "repubs" will look? You don't see that they are the same party? This is what happens when you try to have capitalism but you taint it with socialism. I hope Obama gets elected so you can see, like most people, that this has little to do with which party our president is affilitated with. As long as we allow our representatives to have the power that they currently have, they will be bought and sold by big businesses because that is the only way a big business can survive under our government.
#8 Sep 26 2008 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
You think this a republican mess? This is bad for the whole country and you are worried about how good the "dems" will look and how bad the "repubs" will look? You don't see that they are the same party? This is what happens when you try to have capitalism but you taint it with socialism. I hope Obama gets elected so you can see, like most people, that this has little to do with which party our president is affilitated with. As long as we allow our representatives to have the power that they currently have, they will be bought and sold by big businesses because that is the only way a big business can survive under our government.
I think the OP was about the campaign and not about the economic mess. You, however, much in the same style as your candidate, want to use the economy as a means to make you seem more caring about america's financial future...because you are a republican.

Should you really be posting here when the country is in the crisis that it is? What kind of citizen are you anyways?!!
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#9 Sep 26 2008 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Me too!

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#10REDACTED, Posted: Sep 26 2008 at 9:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry, was responding to this.
#11 Sep 26 2008 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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this is the election changer. if the repubs can lay this bail out at the dems feet as a dem plan, its over for the dems. if the dems can keep people focused on the fact that this mess is a republican mess, and this bail out is a republican initiated plan, and that the impass is a republican impass who cant seem to even get a team together at the table for a fix.......by by mccain.


Sorry, was responding to this.

I shouldn't post here, really. Seems most of the people here are just die hard democrats or republicans and think everything going on in the world today is because of party affiliation.
But, I do like to argue. You can call me names like republican if you like. I am not a republican, though. I will not vote for McCain. I just think it's silly you think Obama is gonna save the world with his "Change" slogan. Our government needs to "go in a new direction," so to speak, however, it's the complete opposite direction both Obama and McCain want to take it. It's going to take a big change in our government's role in our economy to fix what is ailing the economy. And by change I mean leave it alone.
Leaving it alone was the problem. People will take advantage of other people for their own gain. Furthemore, a group of people will further exploit the unwary because they are reassured by each other that it's 'ok'. Call this group of people a corporation and now they are under no obligation, what-so-ever, to treat other people like human beings. This is why pure capitalism does not work for the best public good.

The 'ecomomic crisis' is exactly that. Everyone from the CEO of WaMu to the homeowner knew they were getting a better deal than they should be. Yet, they all took it....and there was no one there to stop them.
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#12 Sep 26 2008 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
Heard something that made me cheer.

Legal immigrants and permanent residents are taking the oath of citizenship in droves this year, some after living here for decades, so they can vote for Obama. (Mostly so they can vote AGAINST McCain, but the next effect is the same.)
#13 Sep 26 2008 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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And did you hear? McCain has already won the debate!!!!11!1

Blackberry invention...time travel...what can this man NOT do?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

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#14 Sep 26 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
JPizzleofBahamut wrote:
I just think it's silly you think Obama is gonna save the world with his "Change" slogan.


While this is a highly opinionated statement and I have no cite or statistic to back it up, I think it's safe to say that a good majority of American's voting in favor of Obama aren't so naive as to believe that "One President is going to save the world".

The Presidential selection as it is today is more or less selecting the lesser of two (or three...poor Independents) evils. No one is coming to save America in a four year term. Not Obama OR McCain. The idea is to elect the person best suited with the best long-term outline to put America in a better situation in, say, 10 years...than it is today.

Essentially, your statement (above) sounds a lot like a Rebuplican statement, even though you state you're not a Republican. Just in case your having an identity crisis.
#15 Sep 26 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, it's the Republicans who insist on referring to him as "The Messiah" and his supporters as "followers"...I don't know any true believers, honestly. I think he's a good politician, better than most, and I think he is charismatic enough to take us out of an international position of scorn and embarrassment.

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#16 Sep 26 2008 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol... Funny. What you're seeing is a media that's blindly repeating the Dem talking points literally word for word. Sad really. Sadder that so many are so easily influenced by perception while missing the reality right in front of them.

McCain has actually been doing work, not just giving press conferences like Obama has. Now, since all you're seeing is the press conferences you think that means Obama's somehow doing something while McCain is off in the background.

The deal fell through because the Dems added a half dozen pet objectives into it. I'd suspect it was done deliberately. Look up "poison pill" if you're not sure what I'm talking about. Reid and Frank getting upset was a show for the masses. They deliberately walked into that meeting with a "plan" that they had concocted, then acted shocked when the Republicans didn't agree to what they wanted.


The party playing politics here is the Dems. Blatantly so. Why do you think you hear what you're hearing? Because it's a planned media event. They planned to have the meeting blow up and planned to have the conferences and interviews lined up so that they could throw their version of events in front of the people immediately. It's clever, and it's apparently working, but they're playing around with a situation that actually does need to be resolved.
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#17REDACTED, Posted: Sep 26 2008 at 10:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not. I also think it's silly that republicans think John McCain is a maverick and Palin is a rebel against her party. Both of these guys will have to answer to the parties that support them and the lobbyists who "donate" to their campaigns. You have one group that wants to tax the hell out of everyone that works and give it to people who don't, and the other party wants to go into massive debt trying to appease big businesses (I have nothing against big businesses, just our government spending money to "make them competitive"). If anyone was really concerned about our economy, H. Ross Perot or Steve Forbes would have been president and paid off our national debt. Our dollar would be a lot stronger right now with no national debt and a solid base for our economy.
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McCain has actually been doing work
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#19 Sep 26 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
McCain has actually been doing work
What so, exactly?


Ditchin' Letterman for Couric has to count for something, right?

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Look, Samira, for five and a half years, John McCain couldn't visit Katie Couric. Show some God damned respect.
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#21 Sep 26 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
The deal fell through because the Dems added a half dozen pet objectives into it. I'd suspect it was done deliberately. Look up "poison pill" if you're not sure what I'm talking about. Reid and Frank getting upset was a show for the masses. They deliberately walked into that meeting with a "plan" that they had concocted, then acted shocked when the Republicans didn't agree to what they wanted.
Wow, look at the things you are saying gjabi. You're sounding suspiciously like a delusional paranoid with all this talk about the evil dems trying to trick the unsuspecting and good-hearted republicans into making self-destructing choices for our country (not too mention most of the factual stuff you got wrong, well, right in your head, but still wrong).

Maybe you need a long vacation, out of the country and away from the news.

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#22 Sep 26 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Look, Samira, for five and a half years, John McCain couldn't visit Katie Couric. Show some God damned respect.


I just choked on my coffee. Have I told you, lately, that I love you?

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#23 Sep 26 2008 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
McCain has actually been doing work


Likewise...how so?

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[...] but by my definition of the lesser evil, I would say republicans are not quite as evil as democrats only because the I would have control over more of my money. [...]


And we're here exactly because? Are you in control of your money right now? Is anyone "actually" in control of their money, personal finance aside? I cannot think of a time where "we" the people decided how much money "we" give to the Government. Regardless of party affiliation, the decision is deciding who has the best plan laid out for the future. Not right now, the future. This ordeal of pumping artificial money into an artificial economy is just delaying an inevitable economic downfall. How long do you think America can go on printing money that doesn't exist? And to put the cherry on top of the sundae, none of it is going to impact the American people who are paying tax dollars on the fix the way government, Repub or Dem, are spinning it. It's going to create a shelf to put all this bad debt onto.

I cannot find the article on CNN, but there was a very non-biased article about a month ago explaining in detail the differences economically in McCain's and Obama's outline for the future. McCain's overall spending was less now but continued down the road of "big debt" in the future, not actually fixing the problem. Obama's overall spending was greater now, but in 10 years would create a turn around the debt ratio to the point where America wasn't coming out in the negative budget after budget. (If anyone remembers or can find that article, please feel free to link it)

Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers (as Palin said...but absolutely contradicted herself the question immediately before it when she pointed the finger at Obama) at Repub or Dem. It's well beyond the point that we (America) should give a rats ass about party affiliation. The best candidate with the best plan should be in the white house.
#24 Sep 26 2008 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Look, Samira, for five and a half years, John McCain couldn't visit Katie Couric. Show some God damned respect.


Restraining order?

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#25 Sep 26 2008 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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This information came from Keith Olbermann last night. They don't have the transcript up yet but you can watch the episode for Thursday 9-25-08.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
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McCain has actually been doing work
What so, exactly?


Actually meeting with Republican and Democrat members of Congress to hammer out a real deal instead of the farce that was presented in yesterday's meeting. Um... But that's not getting much press now is it? Meanwhile, Obama is hanging out in a hotel lobby giving interviews to any reporter who walks up and talking about how McCain is somehow making things worse.


What I find amazing about this whole thing is how liberal pundits talked for days in a sarcastic tone about how Republicans were supposed to be against big government, so why was Paulson and Co pushing this big bailout deal, and yet now they're shocked when Republicans actually oppose the very big government plan that the Dems attacked them for not opposing.

You don't get to have it both ways. Either it's wrong for Republicans to go along with a big government plan, or it's not. How about you guys pick a position for once instead of standing on the sidelines sniping? What happened here is that the Dems took a plan that had some serious spending in it that most sides weren't happy with but was considered necessary, then invented their own version which included stuff like paying off mortgages for people who shouldn't have been granted them in the first place, and elimination of CEO packages (some of which may be reasonable, but they were pushing it far too broadly), along with additional packages that essentially do more of the same thing that got us into this problem in the first place.


When will the Dems realize that the reason we're in this problem is that we attempted to use the lending institutions of this country as a social engineering construct by giving people loans they couldn't afford to pay off? By bundling yet more of that sort of spending into the very package designed to pay off the difference, they're just pushing the problem further down the line. It's the same mistake that's been made for the last 20+ years. How about we actually do the right thing for once?



And for those thinking that no-one saw this coming and tried to correct it. You're wrong. I found some blog page that has a pretty decent rundown of events. It's actually missing a couple of earlier pieces, but does do a decent job showing who did what and when. Basically, this issue has been split on party lines, with Republicans wanting to overhaul the lending system to prevent the exact problem we're now facing and Dems blocking those attempts right across the board.


As I've been saying all along. The Dems want those systems to work the way they do so they can use them for their social agenda. What's happening right now is that we're paying for the money they've been spending without us noticing. That's 700 Billion dollars of our money that they've handed away and want us to pay. And we might have to just to clean up the mess. But I think it's reasonable that we change the systems so that we're not continuing to use them in this manner going forward. If we spend this money and don't address the problem, we'll just hit the same thing 10 or 20 years from now. And it'll likely be worse then now.


So yeah. Republicans are right to block the Dem version of this. Not only are the Dems really the ones's most responsible for the problem, but they're attempting to use the "solution" to just do more of the same thing that got us into this mess in the first place.
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