Hey, McCain, future cabinet member?Follow

Well, he did such a great job picking a VP, so I'm sure his cabinet will be equally lolzworthy.

uh huh. Sophie didn't have to choose either.

Nexa

Ok?

To be fair, he did say that this was one of many "suggestions" brought up in a group meeting on the matter. Was a law passed enabling it yet? If not, it is exactly what he said it is.. the media latching on to something purely for the ratings.

I'm not defending the fact that the guy may be a bonehead, but honestly...

You do realize we're talking about very poor people, right? People on welfare. People who may not have other basic needs met due to lack of money. And this jackass is saying we should offer them $1000 to have near irreversible surgery to prevent them from having children.

One wonders if Tirith would also support allowing the poor to sell, say, a kidney. I mean why not? You aren't forcing them. Or what about an eye? Don't really need both do you?

The male version of this surgery is cheaper, less invasive and reversible (although it is quite expensive) and thus should have been a much more natural target for bozos like this guy to aim for...but of course he goes after the women.

Lastly, I can't believe this guy brought up illegal immigrants. He's talking about American citizens not working and thus costing us taxes to help them. Then it is the fault of the illegal immigrants?

Yet another sign that we don't have two political parties in the US. We have one which deals with reality and one that largely lives in a fantasy world.

I'm surprised Bush hasn't already appointed this guy to head a department.

To be fair, all the poor men in the world could get a vasectomy, and it would not stop poor women from giving birth (since poor women can still have sex with wealthy men). You'd still end up with a single, poor woman, giving birth to a child to raise in poverty.

While you may not agree that stopping them from giving birth is the answer, it's wrong to try and pick it apart as sexist in this way.

Just because he should does not mean is will or that the woman would seek it.

Random people having sex, she doesn't even know who he is. 4 weeks later she's late. I doubt a poor woman living on her own would have the resources to hunt down which guy she had sex with to get the money.

That scenario would only work if people are monogamists. Not all people only have one partner.

Good thing the proposal was for a voluntary procedure, not mandatory. The ones that would be "sleeping around" would be able to keep their uteri free of unwanted babies.


Women are allowed to have sex with who ever they wish. Rich, Poor, Old, Young, Black, White, what ever. And as many as they want.

All this would do is give a woman without the ability to raise a child, a pretty good ability to ensure that one won't be brought into the world through their sexual freedoms.

I don't see how this would be any different than offering a free tubal ligation. Is it the fact that they are proposing offering an incentive which makes it offensive?

Edited, Sep 26th 2008 9:39am by TirithRR

That was Samira. It was a phrase to describe "human interest" stories of no real value hat provoke strong emotions and make people feel better about themselves. As this is a serious proposal by a person with influence, I don't think it qualifies.

No, I am unable to do so at present, but I am aware oif the story.

I don;t think he seriously expects to pass it, but it's still a different kettle of fish to stories in the Daily Mail (insert American equivalent) about houses smeared with faeces.

That was me, actually.

I didn't read far enough down to see that that had already been said, sorry!

I was surprised to recognize my own phrasing. I'd forgotten all about that turn of phrase.

I'm not surprised.

It's wrong because what the fuck is the government doing buying people's fertility? The $1000 is a bait so that poor and desperate women give up the chance to ever reproduce. You don't see how that's wrong? You don't see how that's incredibly cynical, cheap, and highly unethical? It's along the lines of giving $1000 to the relatives of disabled people who commit suicide, or of people with terminal illnesses.