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#27 Sep 24 2008 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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I may be able to vote, but I'm nowhere near being able to consider myself as "living in society", hah. Other than having a job and playing FFXI all the time, I'm about as disconnected from society as one can get.

Hell, I don't even have a driving license and I'm 22.


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You know, all your posts in this thread could've been summed up by saying "I'm ignorant and apathetic."



So why don't you just shuffle back to =10 and let the big boys play, K?
#28 Sep 24 2008 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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You know, all your posts in this thread could've been summed up by saying "I'm ignorant and apathetic."


The OP said she doesn't know why everyone doesn't vote, and I offered an explanation why. You can draw whatever inference you'd like.

Bottom line -- going in to vote when you don't even know who/what you're voting for is meaningless, and I might care more about who/what I'm voting for if the issues are ones that actually affect me.

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So why don't you just shuffle back to =10 and let the big boys play, K?


For someone with such a high opinion of himself, your contribution to this thread isn't exactly meaningful.

How about you drop the forum police gag, now? It's unbecoming of you.

Edited, Sep 24th 2008 10:50pm by Fynlar
#29 Sep 24 2008 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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I suppose better early than not at all, but really: voting the day of is part of the fun. I wouldn't think of doing it early.
#30 Sep 24 2008 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I suppose better early than not at all, but really: voting the day of is part of the fun. I wouldn't think of doing it early.


Wouldn't the lines on that day be like... "April 15th" lines? >_>

I could see it being packed...
#31 Sep 24 2008 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been getting many forms from the Pubbie party of Wisconsin and also the McCain campaign to send into the city clerk of courts for an absentee ballot. I like to go vote the day of because it gives me an excuse to leave school or work for a bit. Also, the old ladies there make delicious coffee.
#32 Sep 24 2008 at 8:54 PM Rating: Good
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To Jophiel: First time I did it I did training beforehand, the subsequent times they didn't ask me in for training. On the day, it's been about 15 hours, from early in the morning, to about 10:30pm the fastest time, and about midnight the slowest time the full count took us.

We did the House of Representatives count, another division handles the Senate count which goes on a more complicated mathematical equation. It usually takes about 2 to 3 weeks for the Senate count to be completed.

In both the Reps and Senate ballot, voters number ALL the candidates in order of preference, giving "no. 1" to their most preferred candidate, and the last number to their least preferred candidate.

The house of Reps count is done once, if a candidate wins 50% of all the voters "No. 1" votes. The electoral seat I officiated at wasn't a "safe" seat, and no candidate received 50% of all the votes on the first count. So on all three occasions we did a second count of everyone's "No. 2" or second preference, to add those to the first preference. In all three occasions the additions of people's first and second preference bumped one candidate over the 50% mark, to win the seat. If that hadn't have happened, we would have counted out everyone's "No. 3" votes as well, and so on.

Pay was about AU$250 for the day, which was very welcome back when I was a student.

I never applied for the job, I was sent a request out of the blue to consider the job by the Electoral Office. I was told later the EO recruiters use chains of known people to pick people to consider, and do a character/security assessment. Apparently I was a known goody-two-shoes at uni.

Edited, Sep 25th 2008 12:54am by Aripyanfar
#33 Sep 24 2008 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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You know... what I read on these boards, where the majority of people (or at least those most out spoken) seem to be in favor the the democratic choice this election, is completely different than what I hear around the shop floor at work from the employees.

These are middle class blue collar workers living in Michigan, and there seems to be an overwhelming majority who are talking in favor of McCain.

I don't know what to think about it.
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#34 Sep 24 2008 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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How about you drop the forum police gag, now? It's unbecoming of you.


It's for your own good, really.

Coming in to a thread about voting saying, essentially, "I know nothing about the issues or candidates, and I don't care enough to learn", even if relevant, simply makes you look foolish.

Even more so when you seem to ACTIVELY RESIST being informed; after all, that quiz that Nexa linked, for example, allowed you to indicate, quite clearly, which of the listed issues are irrelevant to you - if you had cared enough to actually look, instead of, I'm guessing, giving it a cursory glance before heading right back here to make an "I'm so cool because I JUST DON'T CARE about anything" post.

While I appreciate that foolishness is a prerogative of youth, that doesn't mean it should go unchecked.



As much as you imagine (or hope) that you aren't particularly connected to society, it is simply not true. Your way of life involves and is made possible by countless people who are apparently invisible to you because you simply don't care to look, and I refuse to countenance such a solipsistic and willfully ignorant viewpoint.
#35 Sep 24 2008 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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You know... what I read on these boards, where the majority of people (or at least those most out spoken) seem to be in favor the the democratic choice this election, is completely different than what I hear around the shop floor at work from the employees.

These are middle class blue collar workers living in Michigan, and there seems to be an overwhelming majority who are talking in favor of McCain.

I don't know what to think about it.

Welcome to Social Science in action.

I won't go into what the old "Lower", "Middle" and "Upper" Classes used to mean, and the old divisions within those.

In modern Australia we are taught that we are NOT a "Classless" society. However, movement between "Classes" is now much more fluid, and can often happen on people's own personal preferences and decision making, and also, what we have is now much more like a mosaic of social groupings, instead of a rigid, linear, ladder-like, hierarchy. Of course, some social groupings still sort of have a relationship with the old definitions of Lower, Middle, and Upper Classes, but you have to look carefully, because they might not be what you expect.

Take for example a social grouping that is filled with people who love cars and sports, swear and drink a lot, wear very relaxed, informal clothes on most occasions, party quite a bit, hate reading, don't have huge vocabularies, are bored to death by the arts, particularly opera or ballet, and don't care much for politics, and who have a lot of very wealthy members of that group, and/or members who also incidentally personally socially know a lot of people in politics, who are running the country, (they bump into each other and party with each other at The Grand Prix, the races, the football final) and therefor the first lot have quite a bit of real if informal political power, by shaping the perceptions of the second lot about what is popular and wanted by the "common man", not to mention what they have an unconsious bias towards because their friends like it.

In one way, all your fellow people on the shop floor are there from self-selection. In another way, they are also there from selective pressures that their environment put on them while they were growing up. Both their own self choices and the outside pressures on them put them where they are at work at the moment.

In exactly the same way, self-selection and outward pressures put all of us game-forum people into THIS computer-based, long-distance, Social Forum in our leisure time.

If you did a study on all the people here in The Asylum/OOT, and a study on all the people at your place of work, you would probably find that on average The Asylum people share certain similarities in backgrounds, life-histories, and personal tastes. On average your work-mates would share with each other a different set of backgrounds, life-histories, and personal tastes. With those two different sets of backgrounds/tastes, it is NOT surprising that there are two (on average) sets of social philosophies, and therefor two (on average) sets of political beliefs about what means will successfully secure the safety, wellbeing, and happiness of the American people.

Edited, Sep 25th 2008 9:16am by Aripyanfar
#36 Sep 24 2008 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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Fynlar wrote:
I may be able to vote, but I'm nowhere near being able to consider myself as "living in society", hah. Other than having a job and playing FFXI all the time, I'm about as disconnected from society as one can get.

Hell, I don't even have a driving license and I'm 22.

The nation, the country you are in, and the sum of all the action by the people living in that country, make it possible to live where you live, on the income you are on, to spend a lot of time playing FFxi, and to not spend a lot of time socializing with other people. This is your current "Status Quo" - what's normal for you, the stuff that you are used to.

At any time, government can change your Status Quo. If you like your life, it's pretty wise to keep one eye out to see if there are any political movements that are set to change your Status Quo, either deliberately, or as a knock-on consequence of something else they want to accomplish.

The Executive branch of government (the people who run things, through government institutions, and spending tax-payers money, and through diplomacy and the armed forces) can change your Status Quo. The Legislative branch of government (the people who make the laws, that you have to stick to or risk going to jail) can change your Status Quo.
#37 Sep 24 2008 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates...8-quiz.html


Dodd Chris Dodd 89%
Clinton Hillary Clinton 85%
Obama Barack Obama 84%
McCain John McCain 30%

Now if only I could vote in your crazy elections.
#38 Sep 25 2008 at 1:53 AM Rating: Default
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Coming in to a thread about voting saying, essentially, "I know nothing about the issues or candidates, and I don't care enough to learn", even if relevant, simply makes you look foolish.


I really don't care if I'm not "cool" in your eyes. I simply gave my reason for not voting because the OP expressed confusion about it. You don't have to understand it or be supportive of it, but that doesn't stop it from being a reason.


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Even more so when you seem to ACTIVELY RESIST being informed;


Well, duh? That takes effort, it isn't exactly fun, and it doesn't even pay the bills. Plus, the effect of their vote, assuming there is any, isn't immediate, and this is a big turn off to potential voters. All of this, in case you never realized it yet, is supposed to address the "I don't know why everyone doesn't vote" statement. Call it foolish or lazy all you like, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels the way I do.


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if you had cared enough to actually look, instead of, I'm guessing, giving it a cursory glance before heading right back here to make an "I'm so cool because I JUST DON'T CARE about anything" post.


I don't care about most of that stuff because it simply doesn't AFFECT my life. At all. Yes, I did actually look. Please don't put words in my mouth by insinuating that I care about nothing; that isn't what I said.

It does not matter if you abort your kid, marry someone of your sex, clone someone that I don't even know and will likely never meet, get paid minimum wage (I don't), yadda yadda yadda. These are all among the biggest issues that these politicians and government people talk about, debates that never seem to die, yet it all has jack **** to do with my life. Why, again, should I care about things like this? Are these really the biggest issues they can come up with? Why should I not be more concerned with my actual day-to-day life, something that I can actually directly influence as it happens?

When it comes to my life getting screwed up to a degree where I'd actually notice it, my own actions and reactions, as well as the immediate environment around me, can accomplish that far more quickly and efficiently than anyone in Washington D.C. could.


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As much as you imagine (or hope) that you aren't particularly connected to society, it is simply not true. Your way of life involves and is made possible by countless people who are apparently invisible to you because you simply don't care to look, and I refuse to countenance such a solipsistic and willfully ignorant viewpoint.


I don't really call that being connected to society. I can kick the bucket tomorrow and outside of my immediate family, nobody would really give a ****. To me, that's a disconnection from society. Simply put, I'm just not all that important.


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At any time, government can change your Status Quo.


I've yet to notice "the government" do anything that's made a direct impact on the way I live. The group more likely to do that is "my mom and ailing grandparents". I'm not really counting on seeing this changing anytime soon, regardless of who gets elected.
#39 Sep 25 2008 at 2:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fynlar wrote:
I simply gave my reason for not voting because the OP expressed confusion about it. You don't have to understand it or be supportive of it, but that doesn't stop it from being a reason.



Actually, the error was mine. I'm very familiar with the reasons people don't vote, especially young people. What I was actually stating was that I don't understand why everyone who votes doesn't vote early by absentee...because it's so convenient.

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#40 Sep 25 2008 at 3:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wah no one loves me, I'm a loser, I don't care enough to vote because no one cares about me.
Christ, you know what? Thank you for not voting. The last thing we need is a tool like you helping to decide who gets to run the country. My sincere thanks for eliminating yourself from this important process, and here's hoping you can still afford FFXI in the next year. ***.

Edited, Sep 25th 2008 6:11am by Atomicflea
#41 Sep 25 2008 at 3:54 AM Rating: Good
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Fynlar wrote:
I don't care about most of that stuff because it simply doesn't AFFECT my life. At all.

Quit trying to convince him to vote, he's a republican Smiley: laugh

#42 Sep 25 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, the error was mine. I'm very familiar with the reasons people don't vote, especially young people. What I was actually stating was that I don't understand why everyone who votes doesn't vote early by absentee...because it's so convenient.


Oh. My bad then!

I guess it's too late for me to take all my posts back, huh?


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Christ, you know what? Thank you for not voting. The last thing we need is a tool like you helping to decide who gets to run the country.


Yeah, that was kinda the point I've been trying to make. Thank you for so eloquently restating it.
#43 Sep 25 2008 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tare wrote:
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Fynlar wrote:
I don't vote because I don't know anything about any of the people I'd be voting for

Uneducated votes are worthless votes. They're about as meaningful as the results of a multiple-choice test wherein the test taker just blindly guesses all his answers.


http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html



87% Barack Obama
44% John McCain

No surprise there, I guess.


82% Obama
36% McCain
74% Biden

Hey! Where's Palin?

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#44 Sep 25 2008 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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85% Barack Obama
80% Joe Biden
22% John McCain
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#45 Sep 25 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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82% Obama
89% Obama here.

Poser.
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#46 Sep 25 2008 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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#47 Sep 25 2008 at 2:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
82% Obama
89% Obama here.

Poser.


I'm a total poser:

93% Kucinich
91% Gravel
83% Dodd
82% Biden
80% Obama
79% Edwards
77% Clinton
69% Richardson
33% Giuliani
26% Paul
19% McCain
13% Huckabee
13% Romney
12% Tancredo
5% Thompson

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#48 Sep 25 2008 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Fynlar wrote:
I don't vote because I don't know anything about any of the people I'd be voting for

Uneducated votes are worthless votes. They're about as meaningful as the results of a multiple-choice test wherein the test taker just blindly guesses all his answers.


http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html



87% Barack Obama
44% John McCain

No surprise there, I guess.


Rofl I got the exact same results.
#49 Sep 25 2008 at 3:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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82% Obama
89% Obama here.

Poser.


And yet you totally missed my "where's Palin?" joke.

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#50 Sep 25 2008 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
82% Obama
89% Obama here.

Poser.


And yet you totally missed my "where's Palin?" joke.



On first?

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#51 Sep 25 2008 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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