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#1 Sep 22 2008 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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The inquest into the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by police hunting a suicide bomber has opened.

For those believing that the police have a responcibility to protect us even when, no especially when the stakes are so high and that as tragic as the events of 22/07/05 where, they do not want the same people to hesitate next time and have 100's of innocent people killed.

For those it will be the start of a witchhunt to undermine those who try to protect us.

For those believing that the police have colluded to hide the reason an innocent man was killed with no justification and that there are no circumstances where such a set of actions can be justified.

For those this is the start of a trail to being criminals to justice.

Personally i sit somewhat in the middle, I'm not sure i can truely blame the people who pulled the trigger from taking the actions they did and subject to them being in the possession of the same information i would want them to act in the same way.

With reguards to the nameless faces behind the scenes who gave poor and often conflicting infomation to the people on the coalface, I have less sympathy, I know it's a stupidly hard job, but they failed utterly to stop the situation from getting to the point where lethal intervention was unavoidable.

I have even less sympathy for the family who come from an ultraviolent country where the police are brutal and the gangs more so, who now decide that the British police are the great satan because the BBC is reporting on their loss, they should ask themselves what if their son had been sat next to a real bomber who detonated the bomb and killed 100's because the firearms team hesitated. Direct your ire at the people making the commands not the poor sods left to pull triggers.


#2 Sep 22 2008 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are very few UK security personnel who will take out a target on intelligence alone. I know a few Armed Response chaps who declined the opportunity to join SO19 for this very reason.

If they see evidence of danger (e.g. dude waving a gun around), and can issue a statutory warning that goes ignored, they'll pop the trigger without missing a beat. But to do so on the basis of 3rd hand information is a step too far for them.

When someone has a covert device that can be triggered at the click of fingers, a warning is counter-productive, so the Int has to be water-tight.

On this occasion, some faceless spook called it wrong and SO19 are taking the rap.

Tragic for De Menezes. Tragic for the officers who carried out their duties.
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#3 Sep 22 2008 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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One more thing.

He was Brasilian. Not Spanish. Not Italian. Not Portuguese.

Dear Newsreaders. . .

Jean Charles de Menezes

Pr. Gee-Ann Charl'esh d'M'nayzesh

Thank you
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