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#1 Sep 18 2008 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
Palin Makes a Proposal.

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CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (CNN) – Sarah Palin likes to tell voters around the country about how she “put the government checkbook online” in Alaska. On Thursday, Palin suggested she would take that same proposal to Washington.

“We’re going to do a few new things also,” she said at a rally in Cedar Rapids. “For instance, as Alaska’s governor, I put the government’s checkbook online so that people can see where their money’s going. We’ll bring that kind of transparency, that responsibility, and accountability back. We’re going to bring that back to D.C.”

There’s just one problem with proposing to put the federal checkbook online – somebody’s already done it. His name is Barack Obama.

Watch: Palin says 'Obama hasn't lifted a finger'

In 2006 and 2007, Obama teamed up with Republican Sen. Tom Coburn to pass the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, also known as “Google for Government.” The act created a free, searchable web site – USASpending.gov — that discloses to the public all federal grants, contracts, loans and insurance payments.

In June of this year, Obama and Coburn introduced new Senate legislation to expand the information available online to include details on earmarks, competitive bidding, criminal activities, audit disputes and other government information.

Palin might also have noted that her running mate, John McCain, was an original co-sponsor of the 2006 transparency bill that became law.

UPDATE: A campaign spokesperson insisted that Palin was referring not to that specific proposal, but rather to "that kind of transparency in general."


The VP debates are gonna be a hoot. Smiley: lol

But at least she agrees with Obama on something! Furthermore, I'm surprised I haven't heard the Obama camp respond to allegations that Obama hasn't "reached across the aisles" with Pubbies with this.

Obama: The Real Champion of Government Accountability! Heh.


Edited, Sep 18th 2008 6:01pm by Omegavegeta
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#2 Sep 18 2008 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
Speaking of being transperant, this video is pretty funny, and enlightening. I'm sure many of you saw it first-run or on youtube already, but it's pretty interesting to watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQK1al91drs
#3 Sep 19 2008 at 4:07 PM Rating: Default
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Palin Makes a Proposal.

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In 2006 and 2007, Obama teamed up with Republican Sen. Tom Coburn to pass the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, also known as “Google for Government.” The act created a free, searchable web site – USASpending.gov — that discloses to the public all federal grants, contracts, loans and insurance payments.


Hah. Goofed this part... ;)

Obama was involved, but was not one of the original cosponsors of the bill.


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In June of this year, Obama and Coburn introduced new Senate legislation to expand the information available online to include details on earmarks, competitive bidding, criminal activities, audit disputes and other government information.


This part is true, but conveniently leaves out McCain on that list. Basically, Obama joined the original three on this. Um... It hasn't been passed yet and isn't finalized. And it's not the original law, it's an expansion.

That's a good thing, but hardly makes this Obama's idea. He just jumped on the bandwagon after the fact.


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But at least she agrees with Obama on something! Furthermore, I'm surprised I haven't heard the Obama camp respond to allegations that Obama hasn't "reached across the aisles" with Pubbies with this.


I think it's more correct to say that he agrees with her on something. I don't know exactly when she implemented the Alaska open checkbook thing, but I'll go out on a limb and guess that it happened before Obama got involved in anything similar in the US senate.

It's also worth noting that there's no evidence that this is something Obama normally would champion himself. Did he propose anything like it when serving as a state senator? Or did he just jump on this when he decided he was going to run for President? I just think it's significant to make a distinction between people who actually work to make an idea happen and those who come in after it's there to ride on the ideas coat tails. Obama seems to be of the former sort on this issue...

Edited, Sep 19th 2008 5:02pm by gbaji

Edited, Sep 19th 2008 5:07pm by gbaji
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#4 Sep 19 2008 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Palin might also have noted that her running mate, John McCain, was an original co-sponsor of the 2006 transparency bill that became law.


That doesn't gloss over that McCain was on the bill. Either you skim read very poorly or you're desperately trying to take pieces out of context and attack them.
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Palin might also have noted that her running mate, John McCain, was an original co-sponsor of the 2006 transparency bill that became law.


That doesn't gloss over that McCain was on the bill. Either you skim read very poorly or you're desperately trying to take pieces out of context and attack them.


Funny, given that the article does the same thing. They start with a quote about an open checkbook idea, but then include a video link in which she's talking about bucking your own party and reaching across the aisle (the "Obama hasn't lifted a finger" bit) and imply that one is connected to the other. They don't. She's correct to say that the two have nothing to do with eachother at all. Why the writer choose to put that video link in there, I'm not sure.


The glossing over was in that paragraph. Mentioning that McCain was also a co-sponsor in the very last paragraph of the story as kind of an aside (and really just another attack on Palin in the process) isn't exactly the same thing. If the author wanted to make a point of Obama being a co-sponsor, he perhaps should have included the entire list of names on the bill. Doubly so, given that he kinda jumped into it late in the game. Obama is technically one of the "original co-sponsors", but from what I've been able to find it looks as though he was more of a hanger-on who latched onto it earlier than that bulk of the Senate did (there were eventually 47 "co-sponsors" of the Bill, so it's hardly special to be on the list).




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#6 Sep 19 2008 at 4:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Speaking of being transperant, this video is pretty funny, and enlightening. I'm sure many of you saw it first-run or on youtube already, but it's pretty interesting to watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQK1al91drs


Smiley: laugh!!
#7 Sep 19 2008 at 4:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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The glossing over was in that paragraph.


So you think they were trying to gloss over soemthing they made a point of mentioning? really?

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that having McCAin's name in a different paragraph actually draws more attention to the fact that he was a co-sponsor. Yes, to snipe at Palin - I'm not claiming it's impartial.
#8 Sep 19 2008 at 5:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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#9gbaji, Posted: Sep 19 2008 at 6:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you get the same response from that variant of the article? Yet, it is *exactly* as factually true as the original. Don't ever underestimate the power of wordsmithing in it's ability to shape people's perceptions.
#10 Sep 19 2008 at 8:39 PM Rating: Excellent
It makes Palin look even stupider for not knowing her own prez candidate's legislation when you put it like that.

"I'm new to Washington and I'm going to REFORM Washington and bring new ideas! Nevermind that the person who tapped me for veep has already been doing that kind of thing, I'm going to REFORM it out of him anyway!"

You know, I honestly think that if McSame had given her more than a week's notice on this whole thing, she'd have done better than she has. She's trying to cram for the GRE, the LSAT, and the political equivalent of the GMAT all at the same time. She might even be able to eke out some respectable scores, but she's going to have to make an educated guess at some things, and she's going to get other things just plain wrong.
#11 Sep 19 2008 at 9:17 PM Rating: Excellent
gbaji wrote:
Do you get the same response from that variant of the article? Yet, it is *exactly* as factually true as the original. Don't ever underestimate the power of wordsmithing in it's ability to shape people's perceptions.


Factually true, yes, but poorly written, and it most definitely does not trigger the same response - your version, in fact, strikes me as more damaging to Palin.

Given that Palin is, after all, McCain's running mate, your version makes her appear to be ignorant, stupid, or deliberately undermining McCain's campaign; the article as written suggests that she was instead lying, demagoguing, or being ignorant. (In fact the video, in which she is clearly playing to the crowd, supports the latter interpretation. The video also fits better with the original text than with your variation.)



Take your pick: idiot or demagogue. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be portrayed as a demagogue.
#12 Sep 22 2008 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
Has Palin retracted her statements regarding "Thanks but no thanks" to the bridge?

If not, why exactly is anything she says taken seriously?

#13 Sep 22 2008 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Has Palin retracted her statements regarding "Thanks but no thanks" to the bridge?
Nope. She's still peddling it in her speeches.
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