My favorite headline todayFollow

I would argue that the amount of harm done by believers in the name of 'god' outweighs the amount of good done in his name.

Personally I ( and the majority of humans) dont need a god to tell me that rape, killing, abuse, stealing etc etc etc are wrong.

I believe that its a myth (perpetrated by people with religeon) that people need a Religeon to know what is right or wrong.

But, many people have used Religeon to excuse acts that they know are wrong.

Last time I looked, I am living in the 21st century. Are you sure you want to argue that we should continue relying on ancient/medievel superstition to teach people what is 'right' and 'wrong'??

And to use your comparison, can you (or Varus) explain to me what makes a belief in god, resurrection, virgin birth, 99 virgins in paradise or any of the the other cornerstones of Religeon any more valid than a belief in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the norse gods of Thor and Odin?/

Its imaginary.

Until someone comes up with some proof (in the true sense of the word) of an all powerful being, ie god, i will continue to believe that basing a societies morality on that god, is in the realm of the insane or chronicly stupid. Varus being a case in point.

There's always the ontological proof.

No-one's actually disproved that one yet.

No, I realise you arn't religeous, and i apologize for using you and varus's name in the same sentence. it wont happen again

And i'm not missing what you're saying either. I understand where our morals have come from throughout history, but what I am saying is that in this time of our evolution (that'll **** someone off for sure) I think that to continue basing our morality and behaviour and thoughts on nothing more than a set of ancient superstitions is inexcusable.

And I for one am sick and tired of people excusing 'religeon', as a force for 'good...ummm...mostly', is doing none of us any favors.

I realise that people are still going to look for some reason to continue on in a life they don't understand, but if someone is unable to think for themselves to the point where they will believe for example, that 'Jesus the son of God, born of a virgin, died for our sins' etc etc, or the myriad other idiotic 'facts' of religeous belief that people fall for, without questioning as to why they believe this stuff, then I'm going to have exactly zero respect for those people when they try to make claims that their superstitions are anything remotely aproaching scientific.

Like i said no offence to you, but making allowances for 'religeous belief' just because 'lots of people throughout history have believed in an 'omnipotent being who cares for us'? its a non starter IMO.

If these same people based their actions in any other path of life on evidence as non existant as the ones used to justify their religeous beliefs, they would be considered insane or delusional. Yet because its connected to 'religeon', we make all sorts of excuses for them to continue blithering on about their god, like they've got a valid point.

They havn't.




Edited, Sep 19th 2008 2:52am by paulsol

It's not a proof, it's an argument.

And a ridiculous one, at that.

And it has been attacked with many counterarguments, including David Hume's argument that it is logically impossible to prove the existence of anything a priori.

The fatal flaw of the ontological argument is that it conflates the idea of God with the existence of God - a variant of the fallacy of equivocation.



The ontological argument for the existence of God is merely semantic sophistry; it's wishful thinking dolled-up as philosophy.

I know. I don't hold to it. It's just impossible to disprove logically. All the arguments set against it have been "this is absurd, we can't believe this" which are fine, but don't disprove it.

I think it's hilarious, really. It's my personal favourite God theory.

Not that this has anything to do with the OP but:

I believe in God because this world and this universe is put together to well to have "just happened by explosion"

As far as the OP is concerned, actions will speak louder than words. I'm anxious to see what they're up to.

Just another one of daddy's businesses down the toilet. Another day's hard work.