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#1 Sep 16 2008 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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Palin won't cooperate with 'tainted' probe

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will not cooperate with a "tainted" legislative investigation into the firing of her public safety commissioner, the McCain-Palin campaign announced Monday, accusing supporters of Democratic rival Barack Obama of manipulating the probe for political motivations.
Gov. Sarah Palin is fighting allegations she improperly tried to force the firing of her former brother-in-law.

Gov. Sarah Palin is fighting allegations she improperly tried to force the firing of her former brother-in-law.

Former Palin Press Secretary Meg Stapleton told reporters in Anchorage that the power probe has been "hijacked" by "Obama operatives" for the Democratic presidential nominee -- namely, Alaska state Sen. Hollis French, the Democratic lawmaker managing the investigation and an Obama supporter. French has denied working on behalf of the Obama campaign.

The Obama campaign described Stapleton's charge as "complete paranoia." It has denied sending campaign staff to Alaska to work with the legislative committee's investigation.

McCain campaign spokesman Ed O'Callaghan said, "I think it's fair to say that the governor is not going to cooperate with that investigation so long as it remained tainted and run by partisan individuals who have a predetermined conclusion," referring to a comment by French this month that the case could produce criminal charges or an "October Surprise" for the GOP ticket.

He added that no "time period" has been set for Palin to be interviewed by independent counsel Stephen Branchflower. She has not been subpoenaed, though on Friday Alaska lawmakers voted to subpoena Palin's husband, several aides and phone records in their investigation.

Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, is battling allegations that she and her advisers pressured then-Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire a state trooper going through a bitter custody dispute with her sister -- and that Monegan was terminated when he refused. Palin says she fired Monegan over budget issues and denies any wrongdoing.

Monegan says while no one directly demanded Trooper Mike Wooten's dismissal, he felt pressured to do so by Palin, her husband and staff. He believes his refusal to fire the trooper led to his own firing. Upon the dismissal, Monegan was offered a position as executive director of the Alcohol Beverage and Control Board, but turned it down.

Palin's lawyers say the investigation -- which the legislature commissioned on a bipartisan basis in July -- belongs before the state Personnel Board, which met to consider the request Thursday.

Stapleton said Palin's attorneys have turned over to the board e-mails that contain "new information that exonerates Palin and proves Monegan's egregious insubordination."

The e-mails, which were released to reporters, show that Palin reported to Monegan that Wooten threatened her father.

Monegan allegedly worked against Palin over his department's budget, making repeated requested to Congress "for funding that was out of line for every other commissioner and agency," Stapleton said.

"The final straw came in late June, when Commissioner Monegan arranged for another unauthorized trip to D.C. to request more money from Congress," Stapleton said.

The campaign also disputed recent comments Monegan made to ABC News, in which he accused Palin of lying during her wide-ranging interview with ABC's Charles Gibson last week. iReport.com: Share your thoughts on Sarah Palin

Palin had told Gibson, "I never pressured him to hire or fire anybody." She said she welcomed the investigation and did not worry about the subpoena of her husband, Todd Palin.

"There's nothing to hide," she said. "I know that Todd, too, never pressured Commissioner Monegan. He did, very appropriately, though, bring up those concerns about a trooper [Wooten] who was making threats against the first family, and that is appropriate."

Monegan rebutted Palin's comments, saying, "She's not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten," according to an interview posted on the ABC News Web site. "And she's not telling the truth to the media about her reasons for firing me."


I swear, politics has been way more entertaining this year than all other forms of entertainment combined
#2 Sep 16 2008 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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If it wasn't for the fact that every time we blink there's another report on how she mistreated someone, I would've been inclined to think this was just a bitter ex-employee and nothing else.
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#5 Sep 16 2008 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Mistress,

Do you realize there's not one mention in that blatantly biased article that explains what he did?

Well since they won't tell you I will. The guy tasered her 10 year old nephew.



Edited, Sep 16th 2008 11:43am by knoxsouthy


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#7 Sep 16 2008 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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The article isn't about the trooper, but about the firing of his boss, you twit.
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#8 Sep 16 2008 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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She denies using her power to get that guy out of office, though.

Was she lying then, or is she lying now?

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#9 Sep 16 2008 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Ugly,

Because they're not reporting the whole story.

Read this.

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ALASKAN State Trooper Mike Wooten admitted yesterday he had used a Taser stun gun on Sarah Palin's nephew, his stepson, but claimed he was no danger to her family.

Mr Wooten - who is Mrs Palin's former brother-in-law - is at the heart of a legislative investigation into whether the Republican vice-presidential nominee abused her power as Alaska Governor.

The state legislature is investigating whether she fired former public safety commissioner Walt Monegan because he would not dismiss Mr Wooten, who went through a messy divorce from Mrs Palin's sister, Molly.

The 36-year-old policeman said he did not drink in his patrol car as the Palin family had alleged in a 2005 complaint before Mrs Palin was elected Governor.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24325497-38198,00.html

A drunk policeman tasers a child and she uses her powers to get this guy out of a position of authority and you have a problem with this?





Wooten is not Monegan. I'm sure you can read the first article in this thread and find that this is about Monegan, not Wooten.

Sure Wooten is involved, but claiming that Wooten tasered a kid (and has admitted as such) and replying that to someone claiming she got Monegan fired is slightly misleading.
#11 Sep 16 2008 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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A guy, no matter what his job is, tasering his nephew is primarily a law enforcement matter. It's NOT primarily a workplace matter.

The matter got brought up at his workplace, and he got disciplined for it. If Sarah Palin was concerned he wasn't sufficiently punished for it after that, then she or someone else in her family should have brought criminal charges against him, or pursued a civil suit.


Yes, it's absolutely concerning that a State Trooper tasered his Nephew, and as Governor, Sarah Palin might have ordinarily pursued the matter as a matter of government department workplace rules reform. BUT, since she was related to this guy by marriage, and there was an ongoing divorce drama in her family concerning this guy, she had a CLEAR conflict of interest here. SHE couldn't intervene in any way, without a perceptual difficulty of nepotism, no matter how just her cause.

In government, when you have a conflict of interest, you state the conflict, and then you get up and leave the room and let your colleagues deal with the matter.
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Not that I approve of tasering a kid but, for full disclosure, it was on the low-power "Test" setting and at the kid's request (to see what it was like).

A stupid judgement call for the guy to play along (and he was disciplined through the legitimate department channels for it) but it wasn't the same scene as "He tasered a kid!" paints in the mind.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Ugly,

So you don't think it's important to mention what the state trooper did?

Do you enjoy protecting officials who use there authority to taser children?

The guy should have been fired the minute it was discovered that he tasered a 10yr old child. If she has to use the excuse of cutbacks to get this guy out of there because his boss is playing politics then so be it.

Do you think it's common procedure for a govenor to be involved in possible misconduct of lowly state employees?

Is it relevant that the tasered child is Palin's nephew?

Do you think there is possibly some conflict of interest in play here?

She should have turned this over to the head of the agency and if she didn't like the consequences exacted by him/her, then appointed a third-party review panel. The simple fact that she reacted as she did is just one more little piece of evidence that she doesn't have a publically professional clue.

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Here's a full account of the Taser incident. Again, I fully agree it was a dumb thing but it's nothing like you'd think from "He tasered a kid!":
The Anchorage Daily News wrote:
One day -- maybe a year or two before the investigation -- Wooten showed his stepson his Taser. He had just been to Taser instructor school. Wooten told Sgt. Wall that the boy was fascinated and pleaded to be tased.

"So we went in our living room and I had him get down on his knees so he wouldn't fall. And I taped the probes to him and turned the Taser on for like a second, turned it off. He thought that was the greatest thing in the world, wanted to do it again," Wooten told the investigator. The boy flinched but nothing more, he said. The boy was about 11 at the time.

In his interview with troopers, the stepson said it hurt for about a second, according to Wall's report. The boy said he wanted to be tased to show his cousin, Palin's daughter Bristol, that he wasn't a mama's boy. The probe left a welt on his arm, he said. His mother was upstairs yelling at them not to do it, the boy said.

As Bristol remembered it, the jolt knocked the boy backward, the trooper report says. She said she was afraid.

The probes are attached by thin wires to the Taser cartridge. In the field, an officer fires the probes into a suspect's skin or clothing and the suspect receives a jolt of electricity for five seconds, said Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for Taser International, which makes the devices. They are only incapacitated during that time. In demos, the probes might be taped to a person so that they don't accidentally strike an eye or injure the volunteer, he said. If the Taser is fired for just a second, it would feel like your funny bone was hit but the quick jolt wouldn't knock you over, Tuttle said.
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#15 Sep 16 2008 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
The simple fact that Palin & company are avoiding the matter with the cry of "tainted investigation" shows reasonable avoidance of the matter to cause concern. If Palin's intentions & actions were legitimate, as she claims they were, she should have nothing to worry about.

I don't know about anyone else, but this matter is of very serious concern when you take into account the nature of the election. We're talking about someone that literally will be a heartbeat away from the presidency, that has openly stated in an interview that "war is sometimes necessary". Considering any history of vendetta actions on a personal level from a government position doesn't paint a very pretty picture.
#16 Sep 16 2008 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
Next time my brother in law does something stupid, I'm going to call the governor and tell him to take care of it, since it's obviously under Sonny Perdue's jurisdition.

What's that? No, Sonny Perdue isn't related to my family in any way. What has that got to do with it? It's the governor's business to regulate family conflicts like this, don't you know! He did something stupid and he ought to be punished for it. He's a principal, he works for the state! That means he's under the governor's oversight. Who cares if he was already punished through the appropriate channels. That's not good enough. I want him fired!

FACT: In the business world, any time a relative has any sort of authority over another relative, it is automatically a conflict of interest. At my old office, a husband and wife were both in management. Technically, she should have been a direct report to him since he was the branch manager, but due to the circumstances they had her report to someone in Home Office, and him report to the Regional Manager instead. That way, they had the proper oversight without the conflicts of interest.

And the same goes for government. Palin should, by all standards of modern ethics, have stayed the **** out of this situation. The fact that she was involved at all means that she already messed up. Now she's compounding the issue by obstructing the investigation into it.

If she did nothing wrong, as she insists, then she should have nothing to fear from even a "tainted" investigation. This isn't a witch hunt, this is a pretty clear case of an abuse of power, and she's just afraid of getting caught.
#19 Sep 16 2008 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, not really. Nor does "he tasered a kid!"

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knoxsouthy wrote:
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His mother was upstairs yelling at them not to do it, the boy said.
That says it all.
So you admit that the actual tasering was pretty minor and you're just upset about the lack of respect for parental authority for the birth parent?

Because you kept saying "He tasered a 10 year old!" and not "He didn't listen to the kid's mom once!"
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#23 Sep 16 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno, I'm pretty much in favor of tasering most kids.

REGARDLESS. He was disciplined through the proper channels. Governor Palin intervened to have him fired; and when his boss properly refused, she fired HIM.

This is not the person I want to give any power to outside of BumfUCk, Alaska.

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#24 Sep 16 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Jophed,

You think that officer is going to think next time he does something to a child against the wishes of the mother?

I'm not upset; it's obvious you care little for the welfare of a 11yr old child merely because his mommys in politics now.



His mommy isn't in politics. Keep your idiot lies straight at least.

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knoxsouthy wrote:
it's obvious you care little for the welfare of a 11yr old child
The welfare of the kid never seemed to be in question.
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his mother was screaming at them
"Screaming" =/= "Yelling"

Edited, Sep 16th 2008 11:48am by Jophiel
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