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Ack! Wall Street's woesFollow

#1 Sep 15 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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The stock market is taking a beating already minutes after opening. Lehman Bros is going bankrupt, AIG is looking for a white knight, and Merril Lynch is selling itself to anyone who is willing to buy them for a piece of used gum, pocket lint, and a ball of string.

Ouch!

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#2 Sep 15 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's only a matter of time before Bank of America owns everything. That's why they're my bank. I only trust my money with vicious, ruthless, corporate giants.

Maybe I'd feel differently if I actually had more then $2.23 in my checking account.

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#3 Sep 15 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Sucky, to be sure. But I'm sorta hoping the Fed is done bailing businesses out and nationalizing them. Let the f*ckers take a beating, admit they messed up, pass laws so it doesn't (hopefully) happen again, and stop it with the big government interfering in business thing. If something is inefficient (and if its supposed to fail), let it. Just have them admit "Yes, some really big businesses were poorly run and took stupid risks, and yes, there is a recession."

Of course, knowing little about macroeconomics besides a course I took in freshmen year of college, I'm no expert. But I still think nationalizing business (yes, even if they had government connections previously) is not a good idea.
#4 Sep 15 2008 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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Time to buy!

Of course you need to have money to buy stuff... All my extra cash is going into my gastank. Oil is down $53.00 from its high and yet gas in our area has fallen about 10 cents and now is being held up high because of stupid Hurricane IKE...

It's all in the short term. By November gas will be $2.50 a gallon. Not sure of the stock market. Someone is making some serious jack off of us indivudual 401k investors and its starting to tick me off.
#5 Sep 15 2008 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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Sucky, to be sure. But I'm sorta hoping the Fed is done bailing businesses out and nationalizing them. Let the f*ckers take a beating, admit they messed up, pass laws so it doesn't (hopefully) happen again, and stop it with the big government interfering in business thing.
What?
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#6 Sep 15 2008 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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I'd recommend using the money you all got from selling oil and gold previously to scoop up a decent portfolio.
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#7 Sep 15 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, my 401k is looking like an overripe banana-- bruised with yellow and black discoloration, curving progressively downward, and attracting flies. If it weren't for workover shifts and employer matching contributions, I might owe the investment company money for the ink, paper, and postage it takes to send me the bad news.

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#8 Sep 15 2008 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, this is hitting the retirement account hard. Guess it's a good thing I wasn't planning on retiring!

Global markets are being shaken, too, which is more problematic. Those ripples may not stop in time to spare us a fairly serious recession or worse.

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#9 Sep 15 2008 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Its probably going to get a lot worse before it get any better, since the ripple effect of those places getting bought out (mass fired) have just started. And probably more financial institutions will go bankrupt the following months.

This was predicted in Januari, i sold all my US financial stock, benefitting from the sub prime "hype". Im a moral-less investor! And now Russian oil ftw! That and that my invest budget is pocket change anyway :P

Edited, Sep 15th 2008 5:12pm by Sjans
#10 Sep 15 2008 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
Nexa wrote:
It's only a matter of time before Bank of America owns everything. That's why they're my bank. I only trust my money with vicious, ruthless, corporate giants.

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Bank of America will be in some serious trouble real soon. The took on a huge amount of debt when they aquired Merril. They are also having problems with their other recent aquisition, Countrywide. BoA's has serious liquidity problems. Th need cash so bad they are offering CD's at unheard of rates.

Also, Lehman deserves to go under. They were one of the pioneers of investing in subprime mortgages. Ironic how one of the market trends they created also put them under.
#11 Sep 15 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, this is hitting the retirement account hard. Guess it's a good thing I wasn't planning on retiring!
Too bad social security wasn't privatized, huh? Smiley: rolleyes

Is it time to start filling my bathtub with water and hoarding canned goods yet?
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#12 Sep 15 2008 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it time to start filling my bathtub with water and hoarding canned goods yet?


I would also suggest buying huge amounts of cigarettes. You can use them to barter for food when you run out.
#13 Sep 15 2008 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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*D&D alert*
If BoA weathers this storm though, they will be hill giants in a land of swamp trolls to use an RPG allegory.

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#14 Sep 15 2008 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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shadomen wrote:
Jophiel wrote:

Is it time to start filling my bathtub with water and hoarding canned goods yet?


I would also suggest buying huge amounts of cigarettes. You can use them to barter for food when you run out.
Why not just buy food? :o
#15 Sep 15 2008 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Shado wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Is it time to start filling my bathtub with water and hoarding canned goods yet?

I would also suggest buying huge amounts of cigarettes. You can use them to barter for food when you run out.

I would recommend buying huge amounts of bullets and weaponry. You can use them to "barter" for food when you run out.
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#16 Sep 15 2008 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
I told my fiance he probably didn't want to look at his Vangard stuff for a while.

This mess was created because Bush & Co decided that Big Bad Government was being too mean to all the mortgage companies with all the regulatations regarding who could borrow money for a mortgage, and loosened the restrictions. This allowed people like me with ****** credit to get a mortgage for a McMansion, which subsequently lost value. Then the economy started to tank and many of them lost their jobs, so now they had a mortgage they really couldn't afford to begin with and no income.

The explanation I heard was this: Overseas investers were demanding mortgage backed securities, to the point that the investment companies that provided them literally did not have enough product to sell to them. Since the originator of mortgage backed securities is, well, mortgages, the investment companies wanted to be able to sell MORE mortgages to more people, so they could have more mortgage backed securities to sell to investors.

Unfortunately, all those people who were told they could get a mortgage really ought to have not had them after all. They defaulted and their homes were foreclosed. So now, the bank is stuck with a devalued house, and an investment loan that they still have to pay to other people.

This boils down to people telling the government where they could stick their Evil Regulations, and then discovering that the rules were put there for goddamn reason after all.
#17 Sep 15 2008 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
Our VP came down from Chicago to talk with us and one of the topics he discussed is what the company was doing to limit our risk and I feel pretty good where we are. It's interesting because he predicted that Merrill would be going down too.

So far I haven't heard about any trouble about US Bank so I hope our mortgage and checking are safe. I know I'm making my payments at any rate.
#18 Sep 15 2008 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
I'm kinda glad I cashed out my 401(k) when I was laid off a few years back. I'd actually made around $70 on it at the time, whereas now, I think it might have gone negative.
#19 Sep 15 2008 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I told my fiance he probably didn't want to look at his Vangard stuff for a while.

People still play that?



So, is it about time now to admit that we're in a recession? Or is this all really signs of a strong economy?
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#21 Sep 15 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Default
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This begs the question, why is your and other people's sh1tty credit and their subsequent poor choice of purchasing a home they can't afford President Bush's fault or [fill in the blank]'s fault? Why is managing your own budget badly anybody's fault other than your own? No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to sign for a multi-hundred thousand dollar mortgage. Did Dubya forge your name on all those loan documents?!?

No one is making you spend money you haven't got. Plastic money isn't the same as real money unless the amount in your bank account equals or exceeds what you owe on the credit card balance. Please tell me you understand this.

That is quite possibly the stupidest argument I have heard on this board, cat-ho. If this is what passes for liberal logic, then God help us should the Black Neo get into the Oval Office and make the liberal's stupidity mandatory.

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#22 Sep 15 2008 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're not catching her point, which is that mortgage brokers were allowed to offer mortgages at unrealistic prices to bad risks.

Bad risks failed, to no one's surprise, really.

I'm not sure where the blame falls. Banks accepted the mortgages because they were greedy and needed to stay competitive. The bank regulators knew the risk and turned a blind eye because hey, the real estate market is always going to be a cash cow.

And of course people wanted to buy a home or upgrade to a newer, more expensive house without having the scratch.

Welcome to the free market economy, I guess.

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#23 Sep 15 2008 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I hestitate to say this because I would think it is blatently obvious, but regardless how much you want something doesn't mean you should actually buy something. And purchasing a home you cannot afford to make monthly payments for during the entire life of a thirty year mortgage is just plain STUPID. Regulation, deregulation, envy, covetousness, keeping up with the Jones', or any other number of rationalizations should not prevent you from asking that very basic question: Can I afford this purchase?

This isn't rocket science. It's just very simple math.

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ToUtem wrote:
Plastic money isn't the same as real money unless the amount in your bank account equals or exceeds what you owe on the credit card balance.
This

Lehman was playing "Pass the parcel" and was unfortunate to be holding the debt when the music stopped.

's how it works.

Ain't rocket science.

All western Gubb'ments (left or right leaning) have fed off this financial roulette and it happened to be the Bush Administration hosting the party.

the left (ish) UK Gov has suffered the same.

Welcome to capitalism, one and all
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#25 Sep 15 2008 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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Buying a major purchase with cash is probably one of the best experiences you can have.
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Totem wrote:
I hestitate to say this because I would think it is blatently obvious, but regardless how much you want something doesn't mean you should actually buy something. And purchasing a home you cannot afford to make monthly payments for during the entire life of a thirty year mortgage is just plain STUPID. Regulation, deregulation, envy, covetousness, keeping up with the Jones', or any other number of rationalizations should not prevent you from asking that very basic question: Can I afford this purchase?

This isn't rocket science. It's just very simple math.

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Fine, fine, yes, I get it and I think we all agree.

Neither should individuals' shared stupidity be allowed to bring down a nation's economy.

At some point regulations have to kick in, because banks are greedy and people are stupid and none of this is new.

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