Newsweek now has the race tied. Some swing states are moving slightly in McCain's favor.
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Now the AP poll has McCain ahead too. Uh-oh, Dems.Follow
polls aside, as if they mean anything anyway.....
mccain is making gains in the delegate count. currently not counting florida, ohio and the three toss up states, mccain will have 227 and obama 233 when that time gets here.
its still in obamas favor, still his to loose, but he is loosing ground.
if what we have now stands, giving mccain florida,s 27 electorial votes, obama will have to win ohios 20 electorial votes, which he probably will and two of the toss up states or just michigan to win.
mccain now only has to win, given he gets florida, either ohio or two toss up states or michigan. it is a dead **** tie right now. obama has to win ohio or its over.
but the same can be said about mccain. if he looses florida, its over for mccain.
a dead heat.
with all the stupidity going on in the country for the last 8 years, how did we get here? is half of this country just so stupidly blind to everything going on? or dont they care? or is it more about the "winning" than what you actually win?
either way, we will get exactly what we deserve, just like we have gotten exactly what we deserve under bush,s watch. we EARNED where we are right now. on the cusp of another cold war, allies that pretend they dont know us, and still scraping up body parts from 9-11. we have EARNED this place we are at.
mccain is making gains in the delegate count. currently not counting florida, ohio and the three toss up states, mccain will have 227 and obama 233 when that time gets here.
its still in obamas favor, still his to loose, but he is loosing ground.
if what we have now stands, giving mccain florida,s 27 electorial votes, obama will have to win ohios 20 electorial votes, which he probably will and two of the toss up states or just michigan to win.
mccain now only has to win, given he gets florida, either ohio or two toss up states or michigan. it is a dead **** tie right now. obama has to win ohio or its over.
but the same can be said about mccain. if he looses florida, its over for mccain.
a dead heat.
with all the stupidity going on in the country for the last 8 years, how did we get here? is half of this country just so stupidly blind to everything going on? or dont they care? or is it more about the "winning" than what you actually win?
either way, we will get exactly what we deserve, just like we have gotten exactly what we deserve under bush,s watch. we EARNED where we are right now. on the cusp of another cold war, allies that pretend they dont know us, and still scraping up body parts from 9-11. we have EARNED this place we are at.
SR
Once in a while SR, you hit the nail square on.
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or is it more about the "winning" than what you actually win?
Once in a while SR, you hit the nail square on.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
"with all the stupidity going on in the country for the last 8 years, how did we get here?" --shadowrelm
Ok, I don't understand how other than being in the same party Bush gets hung around McCain's neck. Seriously. The two have little in common, dislike each other, and have no connection to each other in terms of world outlook, politics, religion, military experience, taste in women, love for cheeseburgers, or preference in pets.
I get that Dems want to tie Bush to McCain to sully him in the eyes of the American voting populace, but McCain has always been held up by the Left to the Right Wing as the standard of what bipartisanship and cooperation is supposed to look and act like. The 2000 primary election hinged on this very issue, submarining McCain's chances that year.
Realistically, it'd be the same as if I claimed Obama precisely represented Hillary or Algore, only in a black man's body-- and I doubt any of you Obamites would agree with that.
Heh. I just had to comment on that, seeing as this continues to occur. Meh, carry on with your regularly scheduled political diatribes.
Totem
Ok, I don't understand how other than being in the same party Bush gets hung around McCain's neck. Seriously. The two have little in common, dislike each other, and have no connection to each other in terms of world outlook, politics, religion, military experience, taste in women, love for cheeseburgers, or preference in pets.
I get that Dems want to tie Bush to McCain to sully him in the eyes of the American voting populace, but McCain has always been held up by the Left to the Right Wing as the standard of what bipartisanship and cooperation is supposed to look and act like. The 2000 primary election hinged on this very issue, submarining McCain's chances that year.
Realistically, it'd be the same as if I claimed Obama precisely represented Hillary or Algore, only in a black man's body-- and I doubt any of you Obamites would agree with that.
Heh. I just had to comment on that, seeing as this continues to occur. Meh, carry on with your regularly scheduled political diatribes.
Totem
ToUtem wrote:
McCain has always been held up by the Left to the Right Wing as the standard of what bipartisanship and cooperation is supposed to look and act like.
If McCain is to be next Prez, I'll still feel safer than I do under GW Shrub.
Sure, I'm hoping Obama is successful, but either way I'm relieved that US Foreign policy is likely to be less xenophobic.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Totem wrote:
Realistically, it'd be the same as if I claimed Obama precisely represented Hillary or Algore, only in a black man's body-- and I doubt any of you Obamites would agree with that.
In McCain's case, I've seen him swing to the right on every issue he was a "maverick" about. Immigration, tax cuts, energy, etc.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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If McCain is to be next Prez, I'll still feel safer than I do under GW Shrub.
Ummm...me too.
The worry I would have is when McCain drops dead or has a stroke.
Then the person with the power is going to be a muddle headed religeous fundamentalist. Thats a bad thing anywhere. But in a country like the US where something like 60% of the people believe that the the bible is literally true, that shakes me to the core.
/shudder
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Not quite half believe that, but close enough.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Totem wrote:
with all the stupidity going on in the country for the last 8 years, how did we get here?" --shadowrelm
Ok, I don't understand how other than being in the same party Bush gets hung around McCain's neck. Seriously. The two have little in common, dislike each other, and have no connection to each other in terms of world outlook, politics, religion, military experience, taste in women, love for cheeseburgers, or preference in pets.
I get that Dems want to tie Bush to McCain to sully him in the eyes of the American voting populace, but McCain has always been held up by the Left to the Right Wing as the standard of what bipartisanship and cooperation is supposed to look and act like. The 2000 primary election hinged on this very issue, submarining McCain's chances that year.
Realistically, it'd be the same as if I claimed Obama precisely represented Hillary or Algore, only in a black man's body-- and I doubt any of you Obamites would agree with that.
Heh. I just had to comment on that, seeing as this continues to occur. Meh, carry on with your regularly scheduled political diatribes.
Totem
Ok, I don't understand how other than being in the same party Bush gets hung around McCain's neck. Seriously. The two have little in common, dislike each other, and have no connection to each other in terms of world outlook, politics, religion, military experience, taste in women, love for cheeseburgers, or preference in pets.
I get that Dems want to tie Bush to McCain to sully him in the eyes of the American voting populace, but McCain has always been held up by the Left to the Right Wing as the standard of what bipartisanship and cooperation is supposed to look and act like. The 2000 primary election hinged on this very issue, submarining McCain's chances that year.
Realistically, it'd be the same as if I claimed Obama precisely represented Hillary or Algore, only in a black man's body-- and I doubt any of you Obamites would agree with that.
Heh. I just had to comment on that, seeing as this continues to occur. Meh, carry on with your regularly scheduled political diatribes.
Totem
See, you're talking about the McCain of 8 years ago. This is the McCain, that had he beaten W in the primaries, I would have considered voting for over Gore.
McCain of 2008, actually about 2003 really, is a different McCain. This is a McCain that sucks up to the "Jerry Falwell's of the Right" (Hell, he selected one as a running mate!), campaigns for a President who's own campaign against him was down right EVIL to him in the primaries, uses blatant lies in his adds (Which is the tactic that defeated him in the primaries in 00'), supports a war who's tactics he's laughed at, critiscizes said war's use of "torture" - flip flops back to supporting it, & calls himself a "maverick" while voting with the President 90% of the time!
I get it: he really wants to be President. But instead of bucking party extremists on both sides, which he's built a career on, he's sucking up to the extremists on the right in order to win.
He might be the same man he was 8 years ago, but he isn't acting like it.
Edited, Sep 16th 2008 6:51pm by Omegavegeta
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Today's daily trackers:
Rasmussen: McCain +1
Gallup: Obama +2
Hotline/FD: Obama +3
The McCain bump is over and the momentum is back towards the Democratic side.
Blah, blah "urine". Blah, blah "terrified".
Rasmussen: McCain +1
Gallup: Obama +2
Hotline/FD: Obama +3
The McCain bump is over and the momentum is back towards the Democratic side.
Blah, blah "urine". Blah, blah "terrified".
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Youshutup wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCo7qbzEX3c <-- that's how you do a tough interview
If politics were approached in this manner in the US we have to bring pistol duels back.
gbaji wrote:
I'll also assume that you also fall into the "going to vote Obama no matter what" category as well...
I usually think the same thing whenever I see anybody defend McCain/Palin, ironically.
I think it has something to do with the reasoning making either no sense, or just seems a little retarded.
I guess blind faith goes a long way.
Seriously, do you believe that McCain/Palin is actually a good choice to govern our country or are you only siding with them simply because they are Republican?
Sir Exodus wrote:
Seriously, do you believe that McCain/Palin is actually a good choice to govern our country or are you only siding with them simply because they are Republican?
I think they are a better choice than Obama/Biden. What part of this is confusing to you? Are they the absolutely perfect candidates? No. But then no one is. Are they "good choices"? Yes. I think so. Heck. I doubt if Obama/Biden would "break" the country. They'd just do things differently than I'd like is all.
It's not really a choice between doom and gloom versus unicorns and sunshine Ex. It's ultimately a choice of platforms. And yes. I am a Republican. I'm a republican because their platform taken as a whole more closely matches my own political viewpoint than the Democrat platform does. So it's kinda silly to bash me because I might support them "because they're Republicans". In the grand scheme of things, I'd rather a mediocre Republican sit in office than a sharp as tacks Democrat *because* of the platform differences. It tends to eclipse the candidates themselves.
Um. But even beyond that, McCain is personally vastly more experienced and capable than Obama IMO. I just find it amusing that someone would look at the matchup of Obama and McCain and argue that it's the McCain supporter blindly supporting him because of his party affiliation...
On the VP pick, Palin has about the same total experience as Obama. Perhaps a bit more since Governors are traditionally considered to be a better match in terms of experience for the President than Legislators are. Biden's got experience to burn, but he's the VP, not the top of the ticket. Also, he's a nut. Have you actually seen him talk when he's not campaigning? He's a fairly regular guest on Bill Maher's show. He's *really* nutty. This is the guy who championed the idea of resolving the problems in Iraq by splitting it into three separate countries, one for Shia, one for Sunni, and one for the Kurds. Total disaster IMO...
So yeah. I support Obama and Palin, not only because I'm a Republican but also because I do happen to think they are a better total ticket then Obama and Biden.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
But, at the very least, Obama didn't pick his VP, someone who can possibly be President, for 100% image and marketing reasons.
gbaji wrote:
So yeah. I support Obama and Palin,
haha, let me know how that works out for you.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
gbaji wrote:
In the grand scheme of things, I'd rather a mediocre Republican sit in office than a sharp as tacks Democrat *because* of the platform differences. It tends to eclipse the candidates themselves.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Most of us don't think W has done a terrible job and in fact think he's done all he could in the face of tremendous obstacles; i.e. katrina and 911.
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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
knoxsouthy wrote:
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America is bad. We caused 911. We deserved 911. Our allies hate us. We hate us.
Sound about right?
Well in a way, yea we caused 9/11. The same way you cause yourself to get punched in the face if you punch another guy in the face first.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Samy,
Christians.
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Christians.
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