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#52 Sep 14 2008 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
I swear to Bob, watching some of you brain dead mother f'uckers argue politics is like watching two fat kids have a slap fight.

I will not be voting for either of the major party candidates in the upcoming election for President and for Senator in the Great State of Minnesota. Barry O is a Marxist and Johnny Mac is an equivocating centrist who believes in man-made global warming. Either one getting elected means this country travels down a road to raping my paycheck more.

Suggestions that any other vote is a wasted vote are ridiculous and uninformed. The only wasted vote is one not cast. The only way to change things effectively is for enough American voters to rise up in open revolt and cast their ballots for someone other than a major party candidate.

Most of you are familiar with my politics. For those of you who are not, I am a conservative leaning, small "l" libertarian. Small government, low taxes, f'uck off from what I do in the privacy of my own home. The Republican party no longer (if ever in my life time) represents me or my views. Pandering to the Religious Right has taken it in a far too theocratic direction for my tastes. As such, voting for a Republican candidate simply to thwart a Democrat bid would still be voting against my best interests.

Until the number of people who realize the same thing grows sufficiently to make themselves noticed, we will have nothing but politics as usual in this country. Those of you who continue to buy in to the old "one or the other" mentality are blinded.
#53 Sep 14 2008 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would also take McCain or Obama over Brown/Campbell.
Would you take them both over Campbell Brown?
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#54 Sep 14 2008 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Would you take them both over Campbell Brown?
Does she have an iota of integrity? because neither of the two afore mentioned party leader do.

And no unlike certain posters a short skirt and big tits are not enough for me to vote for someone.
#55 Sep 14 2008 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does she have an iota of integrity?
She made John McCain's campaign spokesperson cry.
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#56 Sep 14 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobby wrote:
zepoodle wrote:
Gauging how closely one candidate actually does represent your interests presents a problem though.
If you're stupid, I suppose it might be.


hai nobby

how r u
#57 Sep 14 2008 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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zepoodle wrote:
hai nobby

how r u
Me?

Over-educated, arrogant, ridiculously well-paid, fluent in many languages, socially & politically connected, immaculately coutured and manicured, well-travelled and, to add insult to injury, getting plenty.

Sickening isn't it?

Or were you making small talk?
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#58 Sep 14 2008 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobby wrote:
zepoodle wrote:
hai nobby

how r u
Me?

Over-educated, arrogant, ridiculously well-paid, fluent in many languages, socially & politically connected, immaculately coutured and manicured, well-travelled and, to add insult to injury, getting plenty.

Sickening isn't it?

Or were you making small talk?


It's fun to play make believe, isn't it?
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#59 Sep 14 2008 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
Nobby wrote:
zepoodle wrote:
hai nobby

how r u
Me?

Over-educated, arrogant, ridiculously well-paid, fluent in many languages, socially & politically connected, immaculately coutured and manicured, well-travelled and, to add insult to injury, getting plenty.

Sickening isn't it?

Or were you making small talk?


It's fun to play make believe, isn't it?
I'm sure it is.

Alas, apart from omitting to mention that I are a ugly cnut, the above is factual.

Like I say, annoying, I know.
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#60 Sep 14 2008 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
How old are you, Nobby?

I mean, I know you're older than, say, Gooose, but how old exactly?
#61 Sep 14 2008 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
How old are you, Nobby?

I mean, I know you're older than, say, Gooose, but how old exactly?
Very, very old.
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#62 Sep 14 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Very, very, very, very old.
Fixed
#63 Sep 14 2008 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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Very, very, very, very old.
Fixed
Impudent upstart!

I'm old enough to be your Fazha!
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#64 Sep 14 2008 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm old enough to be your Fazha!
Maybe, but lets hope your not as old as my father.

Or you might need a zimmer frame...
#65 Sep 15 2008 at 2:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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By voting for the representative that is closest to your interest (no mater how far away from your interest that that is), each time, you move your representatives closer to your ideal interests over time, by rewarding positions closer to your interests, and punishing positions that are further away from your interests.
You really are naive aren't you.

If i voted for labour do you honestly think that in 5 years time they would be closer to my views? you're having a fUcking laugh.


No, I think it would take 25 to 50 years of voting for the party that was closest to your views in each election, despite the chance or not they have of winning, and at least a couple of changes of ruling party, before they were really noticeably closer to your views.

Too long to wait, you say? I don't know about you, but I plan to be alive in 50 years time. And I'd rather win in the end, than not win at all.

Two things to consider when struggling with a feeling that you can make no difference. Firstly, in Australia, there is an official political statistic used. For every one letter received by a politician on an issue, the politician or party presumes that 59 other people have the same opinion as the letter writer, but have not bothered to write a letter in about it themselves.

Secondly, political "overnight miracles" not only are possible, but have happened. In the State of Victoria, there has never been a more popular and successful government than the Liberal-National coalition party government under Jeff Kennet. There has never been a more popular Premier. His party, after three election cycles, had won an overwhelming majority in the houses of parliament, something like 80% of the seats to 20% of the seats held by Labour, and it would take something like an average 20% swing against the Liberals and Nationals and towards the Labour party to unseat his government. Such a swing has never ever come close to hapening before. The next election was unlosable for the Liberal-Nats on all past political history.

Then, in the name of economic efficiency, that concept that everyone loved and adored him for, he shut down most of the country/regional rail-lines. Just before the next election, a new, young, unknown politician was made the Labour Party leader.

And the next election Labour won. No one expected it. No poll predicted it. Probably because they didn't ask the right questions. The next election, all the country/regional electorates voted a majority for Labour for the first time ever. The swing against the Nationals and towards Labour was massive, unprecedented, and previously unthinkable. And the Jeff Kennet Liberal-National government was toppled completely out of the blue. Every person in those electorates who voted Labour didn't expect that they would get a Labour representative to parliament out of their vote. They all expected that they would get a National pollie like usual. They cast their vote against them anyway, and the total of all their hopeless wishes added up to a win. Labour got in, and Labour restored half the railway lines that had been axed, upgrading the ones that they did restore. It was doubtless short of what the regional people wanted. They doubtless wanted all their railways back. But half of what they wanted was also doubtless better than none of it. In subsequent elections some went back to the Nationals. And some stuck with Labour again.

Edited, Sep 15th 2008 6:38am by Aripyanfar
#66 Sep 15 2008 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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There are too many Labour parties!

Edited, Sep 15th 2008 3:22pm by tarv
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