If you don't vote, you're a moronFollow

so sayeth Craig Ferguson

I imagine there are vast swathes of people who do not agree with either side and are put in a position of voting for the candidate they dislike the least or not voting at all.

That not being a moron, thats being unrepresented.

Well, Ferguson presents a much more convincing argument than Allegory did.

At least Fergie was funny.

False.

I see no difference in policy between the two major parties in british politics, both are full of self serving ********* who i would have representing me in a million years.

They are so obsessed with holding the middle ground that they are incapable of anything remotely resembling the redical thought or policy which is required. Worse they are focused more on scoring petty points of each other than govening the country.

Example:

For years the Uk has been pushed into Europe by sucessive govenments and since none of the major parties are willing to offer us the chance to vote on whether we the British people actually WANT to be in europe we, are not given a choice.

Polls for years have being saying that the majority of the UK doesn't want to be closer to europe, that they want tighter immigration controls and a change in the subsidy policies.

But not a single one of the major parties will entertain any of those policies.

Maybe that why Britain only has 40% turnout come election time.

I spent an hour watching clips of Ferguson on youtube afterwards. He cracks me up.

Australia is one of the few countries in the world that has compulsory voting, which means the candidate that gets elected broadly reflects the will of the people. It's nice because it really does force people to do some research into their party's policies. It's bad because more often than not, people just vote for the party their friends and family vote for, to make it easier.

What really confuses me is how the flying **** did we end up with Howard for eleven years. The man was an idiot.

Did someone speak of Morans?



America Fuck Yeah!!!!

Tarv are you gonna take that? Allegory says you're a moron!

Technically speaking, yes. But if you don't want to vote for the British **** party then I don't think you can find any anti-immigration anti-Europe parties.

You could say that not voting is like voting for a third party to prove a point. You're saying: You guys @#%^ing suck, stop being such digusting people if you want me to vote - just like, say, voting for the BNP to pove a point would send the message: Ein reich, ein volk, ein Fuhrer Immigration control and anti-Europe are both popular policies... maybe you should consider them, Conservative party?

Does it have as big an impact as voting for whichever party you consider to be the lesser of two evils? (In this case, it's the Labour party) Maybe, maybe not. I haven't really looked into it so I don't exactly know, but I'd say that in the short term at least it's best to vote for the lesser of two evils.

EDIT TO NOTE: I'm not anti-immigration or anti-Europe, and those policies are far from those most important to me. Just so you know/

Edited, Sep 13th 2008 3:26pm by Kavekk

Well actually according to my previous posts you're not a moron, but lazy. I'm not sure if you see that as worse or better.

Edited, Sep 13th 2008 3:39pm by Allegory

Nevermind then, if that is your reason then yeah... I don't want to call you a moron, but have you thought this through?

It doesn't matter if they are both great or both terrible; what matters is the relative difference between the alternatives. You can't elect both and you can't elect neither, your choice is one or the other.

If someone offers you a choice between pricking your finger or days of waterboarding then you're either dumb or a ********* to tell her "I don't like either option, you choose for me."

Anyone intelligent would choose waterboarding. After all, prioking someone with a pin to get them to talk is torture, but waterboarding isn't. It must be better.

Except you don't have to vote. You have the option of saying "please don't prick my finger and I also don't like waterboarding so let's not do that either." No-one's going to like, tie you to a waterboard and shove you into the ocean screaming.

Your allegory doesn't make any sense because voting isn't compulsory in America. People can actually choose to remove themselves from the entire process and absolve responsibility, so there's no...requirement.

I mean, look at this: you have two candidates for President and both suck. Maybe one's a psychopath and the other likes to fist kittens. You go with your system and say "well, fisting kittens is less bad than being a psychopath, so I guess I'll vote for the kitten-fister." The kitten fister gets into the White House, everyone goes, what the ************ America, and then when he gets caught fisting your tabby cat all he has to do is point to the voters and say "You put me in office and you knew I liked to fist kittens!" and you know what? He's right. It wouldn't be his fault, it would be the fault of the people who decided that least harm equates with most good.

You want to say that it's your right as a citizen to hold power and be responsible for the use of that power? Good! Go run for office.