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Is Episcopalian close enough to Roman Catholic to not burst into flames while getting a Papal blessing? What if you were baptized Catholic but are currently on an extended leave of absence from the church (extended of course until you have to either repent or go to hell)?
(1) The official line from the Vatican is that Protestant faiths (and Orthodox, I'd wager) are still Christians, albeit in "imperfect communion", and are probably even saved.(2) You can be a good Catholic, a bad Catholic, a nonpracticing Catholic or even an excommunicated Catholic but once the Holy See puts its spiritual brand on you, you're a Catholic for life as far as its concerned.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church wrote:
"However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers .... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."
"Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."
"Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Um sure.
Purple unicorns, and all that.
Purple unicorns, and all that.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Are there really religious bylaws like this? Thank Bob I've denounced the Catholic faith.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Thank Bob I've denounced the Catholic faith.
Really, I think the official Catholic view on other denominations is fairly progressive and open-minded considering the opinion many other Christian denominations have of Catholicism.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Are you Catholic, Joph?
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Tare wrote:
Are you Catholic, Joph?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Tare wrote:
Are you Catholic, Joph?
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 4:23pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Thank Bob I've denounced the Catholic faith.
Really, I think the official Catholic view on other denominations is fairly progressive and open-minded considering the opinion many other Christian denominations have of Catholicism.
Jophiel wrote:
You can be a good Catholic, a bad Catholic, a nonpracticing Catholic or even an excommunicated Catholic but once the Holy See puts its spiritual brand on you, you're a Catholic for life as far as its concerned.
Yup. Ticks my brother off because my mom always tells him that he's Catholic, despite him lapsing and devoutly attending services at a non-denominational Christian church.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
So does that mean my name is listed in some file in the Vatican?
In real terms, all it means is that if you were to return to the Church and confess how you strayed and renounced your faith and joined a Satanic cult or whatever, you wouldn't need to be re-baptised. You're still a Catholic in their eyes, just not a very good one.
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 4:30pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
On a related note, my wife really wants to get Thom baptized but
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:31pm by Debalic
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:31pm by Debalic
publiusvarus wrote:
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You're still a Catholic in their eyes, just not a very good one.
Debalic wrote:
On a related note, my wife really wants to get Thom baptized but
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:31pm by Debalic
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:31pm by Debalic
Register at your local parish, have your wife explain the situation. You being a heathen isn't a problem, just expect them to try their damnedest to convert you.
Hubby and I had the same issue with our daughter. I'm Catholic, he's not. Our parish was fine with the situation.
So, my family was/is Baptist. When I was born, Baptist was written somewhere on my birth certificate (I think, I can't remember that far ago and haven't looked at it in ages).
I was never baptized though. My parents felt that it was for me to decide and left it as a personal option for later in my life. Currently I remain unbaptized.
When I die, what part of Hell am I going to?
I was never baptized though. My parents felt that it was for me to decide and left it as a personal option for later in my life. Currently I remain unbaptized.
When I die, what part of Hell am I going to?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
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When I die, what part of Hell am I going to?
If you decide to become a baptist, you will go to the part of hell reserved for baptists, silly.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
paulsol wrote:
If you decide to become a baptist, you will go to the part of hell reserved for baptists, silly.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
paulsol wrote:
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When I die, what part of Hell am I going to?
If you decide to become a baptist, you will go to the part of hell reserved for baptists, silly.
I mean since I'm going to remain unbaptized and non-religious. Is there a part of hell specifically for athiests who ********** too often?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
TirithRR wrote:
So, my family was/is Baptist. When I was born, Baptist was written somewhere on my birth certificate (I think, I can't remember that far ago and haven't looked at it in ages).
I was never baptized though. My parents felt that it was for me to decide and left it as a personal option for later in my life. Currently I remain unbaptized.
When I die, what part of Hell am I going to?
I was never baptized though. My parents felt that it was for me to decide and left it as a personal option for later in my life. Currently I remain unbaptized.
When I die, what part of Hell am I going to?
TirithRR wrote:
paulsol wrote:
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When I die, what part of Hell am I going to?
If you decide to become a baptist, you will go to the part of hell reserved for baptists, silly.
I mean since I'm going to remain unbaptized and non-religious. Is there a part of hell specifically for athiests who ********** too often?
Second Circle
Those overcome by lust are punished in this circle. They are the first ones to be truly punished in Hell. These souls are blown about to and fro by a violent storm, without hope of rest. This symbolizes the power of lust to blow one about needlessly and aimlessly. Dante is informed by Francesca da Rimini of how she and her husband's brother Paolo committed adultery and died a violent death at the hands of her husband (Canto V).
Debalic wrote:
On a related note, my wife really wants to get Thom baptized but
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
So your wife's religion isn't good enough for her to bother with, but she wants to force your son into it? Why not just wait till he's old enough to decide for himself?
One major mistake Jophiel, once you are excommunicated, you are no longer a member of the Roman Catholic faith. One is always free to reapply however.
Some of the orthodox prelates recognize the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome and are also members. Maronite rite for one.
Deballic and others.
Many folks when they become parents do feel a connection with a church is important for their children, as part of values training, and maybe for as a link to the awesome joy and resonance with the creative spirit of life. Find a congregation she can be comfortable with and go there is what I suggest. Any particular reason she wants it to be RC?
Some of the orthodox prelates recognize the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome and are also members. Maronite rite for one.
Deballic and others.
Many folks when they become parents do feel a connection with a church is important for their children, as part of values training, and maybe for as a link to the awesome joy and resonance with the creative spirit of life. Find a congregation she can be comfortable with and go there is what I suggest. Any particular reason she wants it to be RC?
trickybeck wrote:
Debalic wrote:
On a related note, my wife really wants to get Thom baptized but
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
a) She hasn't been to church in several years and hasn't been to a church in our town, and
b: I'm a heathen
Joph, are there any loopholes we can go through, or should I just grab him by the ankles and do an impromptu baptism in the Hudson? I figure all the waste in there would give him an Achilles-like invulnerability. Or, more likely, cancer.
So your wife's religion isn't good enough for her to bother with, but she wants to force your son into it? Why not just wait till he's old enough to decide for himself?
Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
I've always looked at baptism as a religious Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free Card (minus applicable fees and taxes). Dirty heathens like tirith will neither pass Go nor collect $200.
So you really believe that if there is an omniscient God as described by Catholicism, that he would be "fooled" into letting you into heaven because you hedged your bets?
It's the same fallacy as Pascal's Wager.
trickybeck wrote:
Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
I've always looked at baptism as a religious Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free Card (minus applicable fees and taxes). Dirty heathens like tirith will neither pass Go nor collect $200.
So you really believe that if there is an omniscient God as described by Catholicism, that he would be "fooled" into letting you into heaven because you hedged your bets?
It's the same fallacy as Pascal's Wager.
I thought to get into heaven you only had to accept that Jesus died for your sins.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
JD wrote:
Is Episcopalian close enough to Roman Catholic to not burst into flames while getting a Papal blessing?
It's the Yanquis version of the Church of England; so if you think you need to be worried about such things then I'd say yeah, be worried. At least you're not Lutheran.
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