shadowrelm wrote:
and palin? at best, she is going to bring out some right wingers that may have decided to take a pass because of bush. mabe a few women voters who are "women first, country be damned" types. but she isnt going to get the middle to come to the repubs for her. she is too far to the right.
Those who think that grossly underestimate the number of conservative women and the number of moderate and even traditionally Democrat voting women who identify with the goal of empowering women but don't necessarily buy into the rest of the feminist movement. You're assuming those latter groups have voted historically Dem because they agree with the whole Liberal platform rather than in spite of it.
They also grossly underestimate the degree to which a candidate's personality and history matter more than their gender.
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and remember, obama still hasnt pounded on the iraq and torure issue. and by iraq i mean why we went in the first place, not how best to handle it now that we own it
You wont see much of that because it's a losing argument outside of those people who'll be voting for him anyway. Only those in the hard core "Bush lied and our soldiers died" crowd will be swayed by that line. It also ends up smacking too much of looking backwards rather than forwards. And it opens up the far more recent and relevant issue of the surge, which Obama just plain loses on. What it says is that Obama opposed the war, but when it happened anyway, instead of looking forward and figuring out how to make the best of it, he acted like a child who wanted to take his toys away when he didn't get what he wanted. That's not exactly presidential. People expect presidents to make decisions based on how the situation is today, not make decisions that'll make that situation worse in order to lend strength to an "I told you so" argument.
Oh. It also highlights his own inexperience. He wasn't in Congress to be part of making that decision anyway, so he ends up looking like the armchair quarterback. It's easy to hold an opposing position when you weren't actually responsible for having to make the decision at the time, and doubly easy to say "I was right" after the fact. Ultimately, this line of attack loses him more than it gains IMO.
Additionally, the torture thing is a no-gainer since McCain also opposed many of the Bush administration policies in the area of prisoner interrogation. Quite strongly, in fact. He'll only make himself look bad in comparison and weaken his whole "McCain is just like Bush" argument. Once more, it's just lose/lose if Obama goes in this direction.