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Are you trying to reach a new level of pretentiousness, or are you just aiming for "moron with a stick up his ********** and overachieving massively (for, I predict, the first time in your life)?
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Posted: Sep 08 2008 at 3:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not exaggerating or embellishing anything ... maybe you just wanted to use a big word you heard on TV?
Jubiejanks wrote:
I'm not exaggerating or embellishing anything ... maybe you just wanted to use a big word you heard on TV?
Pretentious
Adjective
1. Marked by an unwarranted claim to importance or distinction.
But you're exaggerating and embellishing plenty, too, if you want to go with that.
Sub-d in 17 posts. Not a record, but not bad. Who won? Because it wasn't me. /sulk
Jubiejanks wrote:
Yes intimidation can be fruitful at times but why hide the fact that we're doing it? Why do I have to sift through international media or .edu's to find facts in America? Why is 99% of the information redacted, yet clearly fact?
Huh? I remember seeing news stories about this a week or so ago. On TV.
NY Times
CNN
MSNBC
FOX News
Exactly how many US news agencies need to cover this before it's not being covered up? Maybe there's just been no mainstream news coverage?
ABC
CBS
Quote:
Forgive me for calling 'Bravo Sierra' when I see the media being stripped of its content. Forgive the rest of you for being so hostile towards the man defending your right to be lazy with your facts.
Er? BS indeed! ;)
Edited, Sep 8th 2008 4:59pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
why do people post this ****...
This reminds me of my girlfriend's Myspace blog from 2004.
This reminds me of my girlfriend's Myspace blog from 2004.
Funny, I always thought WWI was started because a Serbian terrorist shot Archduke Ferdinand.
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Funny, I always thought WWI was started because a Serbian terrorist shot Archduke Ferdinand.
PS ~ Colonel is the stupidest spelling for the word kernel. I blame the British.
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Funny, I always thought WWI was started because a Serbian terrorist shot Archduke Ferdinand.
That's just what they want you to think!
If only the media didn't cover up the real reasons...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
***** the media, I learned that in 10th grade world history 
The media was controlling your 10th grade teacher. For reals!
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Sadly, she was one of the earliest victims of the Adkins diet.
(I remember her looking so sad as she munched low-carb poppy seed crackers at her desk.)
(I remember her looking so sad as she munched low-carb poppy seed crackers at her desk.)
Ok, serious answer to the OP.
We won't be going mano-a-mano with the Bear any time soon due to the terrible shape the Russian military is in, despite rolling over Georgia. Even though we are engaged in war in two different countries, a direct confrontation with the Russians would likely mean we would immediately pull all troops out of Iraq and Afganistan (or use Afganistan as a staging field for operations in southern Russia) and redeploy them to a more suitable or strategically important location.
Secondly, Russia holds too much US debt to afford to cause us to default on purpose due to war.
Thirdly, it would immediately invoke the NATO joint protections that are built into the treaty. Russia would have to fight on multiple fronts, all of which have long logistical lines for them to negotiate.
Fourthly, this recent spat the Russians are involved in is about national pride, not any actual immediate beef with the US. Kinda like us taking on Grenada and Panama after the Vietnam war.
Fifthly, the only trump card Russia actually holds is the nuclear one. You use that card and the game is over-- ot because the world ends or anything silly like that, but because the only value of nukes is in the possession of them, not their actual use. Believe it or not, but a nuke isn't as devastating as is believed. To make a nuke strike is to visably demonstrate how limited they are and to utterly coalesce the enemy's populace against you. Yes, Dorothy, nuclear winter is a myth.
Lastly, Russia is just now coming out of an incredible economic slump. This entire previous five or so years has been a systematic orchestration by Putin to consolidate power. To risk what he has gained for an extremely unlikely victory stands as direct evidence why he wouldn't engage in war against the West. He's waaay smarter than that.
That answer your question, Jub?
Totem
We won't be going mano-a-mano with the Bear any time soon due to the terrible shape the Russian military is in, despite rolling over Georgia. Even though we are engaged in war in two different countries, a direct confrontation with the Russians would likely mean we would immediately pull all troops out of Iraq and Afganistan (or use Afganistan as a staging field for operations in southern Russia) and redeploy them to a more suitable or strategically important location.
Secondly, Russia holds too much US debt to afford to cause us to default on purpose due to war.
Thirdly, it would immediately invoke the NATO joint protections that are built into the treaty. Russia would have to fight on multiple fronts, all of which have long logistical lines for them to negotiate.
Fourthly, this recent spat the Russians are involved in is about national pride, not any actual immediate beef with the US. Kinda like us taking on Grenada and Panama after the Vietnam war.
Fifthly, the only trump card Russia actually holds is the nuclear one. You use that card and the game is over-- ot because the world ends or anything silly like that, but because the only value of nukes is in the possession of them, not their actual use. Believe it or not, but a nuke isn't as devastating as is believed. To make a nuke strike is to visably demonstrate how limited they are and to utterly coalesce the enemy's populace against you. Yes, Dorothy, nuclear winter is a myth.
Lastly, Russia is just now coming out of an incredible economic slump. This entire previous five or so years has been a systematic orchestration by Putin to consolidate power. To risk what he has gained for an extremely unlikely victory stands as direct evidence why he wouldn't engage in war against the West. He's waaay smarter than that.
That answer your question, Jub?
Totem
I always thought Saakashvili sounded a lot like Haile Selassie.
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Funny, I always thought WWI was started because a Serbian terrorist shot Archduke Ferdinand.
Actually it was Austria-Hungary's decision to declare war on Serbia in retaliation for Serbia not giving into A-H's ultimatum following the the assassination that started the war, or you could even argue it was the decision by Russia and France to declare war on A-H afterwards when they could just as easily remained neutral and decided their secret treaty to declare war on Germany or A-H if they ever declared war on anyone was not applicable. Problem was neither side got along well anyway and wanted to get the upper hand militarily and no one expected it to become so huge.
fhrugby the Wise wrote:
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Funny, I always thought WWI was started because a Serbian terrorist shot Archduke Ferdinand.
Actually it was Austria-Hungary's decision to declare war on Serbia in retaliation for Serbia not giving into A-H's ultimatum following the the assassination that started the war, or you could even argue it was the decision by Russia and France to declare war on A-H afterwards when they could just as easily remained neutral and decided their secret treaty to declare war on Germany or A-H if they ever declared war on anyone was not applicable. Problem was neither side got along well anyway and wanted to get the upper hand militarily and no one expected it to become so huge.
On a side note, I used to absolutely kick *** at Pax Britanica... ;)
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
fhrugby the Wise wrote:
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Funny, I always thought WWI was started because a Serbian terrorist shot Archduke Ferdinand.
Actually it was Austria-Hungary's decision to declare war on Serbia in retaliation for Serbia not giving into A-H's ultimatum following the the assassination that started the war, or you could even argue it was the decision by Russia and France to declare war on A-H afterwards when they could just as easily remained neutral and decided their secret treaty to declare war on Germany or A-H if they ever declared war on anyone was not applicable. Problem was neither side got along well anyway and wanted to get the upper hand militarily and no one expected it to become so huge.
On a side note, I used to absolutely kick *** at Pax Britanica... ;)
I have heard of it, but never played it, I played Diplomacy many, many times in high school and was became quite good at it, even played some online email version a couple years ago.
gbaji has had way too many short posts tonight. I call shenanigans.
Totem wrote:
Ok, serious answer to the OP.
We won't be going mano-a-mano with the Bear any time soon due to the terrible shape the Russian military is in, despite rolling over Georgia. Even though we are engaged in war in two different countries, a direct confrontation with the Russians would likely mean we would immediately pull all troops out of Iraq and Afganistan (or use Afganistan as a staging field for operations in southern Russia) and redeploy them to a more suitable or strategically important location.
Secondly, Russia holds too much US debt to afford to cause us to default on purpose due to war.
Thirdly, it would immediately invoke the NATO joint protections that are built into the treaty. Russia would have to fight on multiple fronts, all of which have long logistical lines for them to negotiate.
Fourthly, this recent spat the Russians are involved in is about national pride, not any actual immediate beef with the US. Kinda like us taking on Grenada and Panama after the Vietnam war.
Fifthly, the only trump card Russia actually holds is the nuclear one. You use that card and the game is over-- ot because the world ends or anything silly like that, but because the only value of nukes is in the possession of them, not their actual use. Believe it or not, but a nuke isn't as devastating as is believed. To make a nuke strike is to visably demonstrate how limited they are and to utterly coalesce the enemy's populace against you. Yes, Dorothy, nuclear winter is a myth.
Lastly, Russia is just now coming out of an incredible economic slump. This entire previous five or so years has been a systematic orchestration by Putin to consolidate power. To risk what he has gained for an extremely unlikely victory stands as direct evidence why he wouldn't engage in war against the West. He's waaay smarter than that.
That answer your question, Jub?
Totem
We won't be going mano-a-mano with the Bear any time soon due to the terrible shape the Russian military is in, despite rolling over Georgia. Even though we are engaged in war in two different countries, a direct confrontation with the Russians would likely mean we would immediately pull all troops out of Iraq and Afganistan (or use Afganistan as a staging field for operations in southern Russia) and redeploy them to a more suitable or strategically important location.
Secondly, Russia holds too much US debt to afford to cause us to default on purpose due to war.
Thirdly, it would immediately invoke the NATO joint protections that are built into the treaty. Russia would have to fight on multiple fronts, all of which have long logistical lines for them to negotiate.
Fourthly, this recent spat the Russians are involved in is about national pride, not any actual immediate beef with the US. Kinda like us taking on Grenada and Panama after the Vietnam war.
Fifthly, the only trump card Russia actually holds is the nuclear one. You use that card and the game is over-- ot because the world ends or anything silly like that, but because the only value of nukes is in the possession of them, not their actual use. Believe it or not, but a nuke isn't as devastating as is believed. To make a nuke strike is to visably demonstrate how limited they are and to utterly coalesce the enemy's populace against you. Yes, Dorothy, nuclear winter is a myth.
Lastly, Russia is just now coming out of an incredible economic slump. This entire previous five or so years has been a systematic orchestration by Putin to consolidate power. To risk what he has gained for an extremely unlikely victory stands as direct evidence why he wouldn't engage in war against the West. He's waaay smarter than that.
That answer your question, Jub?
Totem
I loved the comment from U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack poking fun at Russia's navy, saying if Russia really intends to send ships to the Caribbean, "then they found a few ships that can make it that far."
Edited, Sep 8th 2008 10:48pm by fhrugby
Totem wrote:
Believe it or not, but a nuke isn't as devastating as is believed. To make a nuke strike is to visably demonstrate how limited they are and to utterly coalesce the enemy's populace against you. Yes, Dorothy, nuclear winter is a myth.
Read what a fcking nuclear bomb does before you say stupid **** like that, Totem. I agreed with everything you said except these two lines right here. Nuclear weapons are not limited for Christ's sake. The average thermonuclear weapon is several times more powerful and more efficient than the one dropped on Hiroshima and that one killed eighty thousand people. Even the most optimistic estimates of the casualties of a nuclear war are in the hundreds of millions. You're right that a limited nuclear strike would be ineffective - it would do nothing but invite international condemnation and show the world that your government has gone batsh1t crazy. That's why there's no such thing as a limited nuclear strike.
It's not going to end the world, but it would sure as fck end the United States, so don't treat it like a fairy tale.
Using nuclear weapons as a 'limited strike weapon' is about as effective as using a rocket launcher for dental surgery.
Just as Planned.
Since Smash is hors de combat....
ignored warnings that aiding the Soviet Union, an enemy of Japan at the time,
No. While there was border tension in Manchuria, Japan and the Soviet Union were not at war until Aug 1945.
is an act of war against Japan
No.
and ignored all warnings, from Japan and other country leaders, the month prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor;
No. You think the Japanese told us there were going to sink out fleet? REALLY?!?
the US continues to this day to act as if the attack on Pearl Harbor was 'an unprovoked attack on the US' which led us into war.
That's because it WAS, dumbass. Destroying the American Pacific Fleet was planned long before it occured. It was an essential component of Japanese control of the Pacific Basin.
Edited, Sep 9th 2008 5:41am by Bijou
ignored warnings that aiding the Soviet Union, an enemy of Japan at the time,
No. While there was border tension in Manchuria, Japan and the Soviet Union were not at war until Aug 1945.
is an act of war against Japan
No.
and ignored all warnings, from Japan and other country leaders, the month prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor;
No. You think the Japanese told us there were going to sink out fleet? REALLY?!?
the US continues to this day to act as if the attack on Pearl Harbor was 'an unprovoked attack on the US' which led us into war.
That's because it WAS, dumbass. Destroying the American Pacific Fleet was planned long before it occured. It was an essential component of Japanese control of the Pacific Basin.
Edited, Sep 9th 2008 5:41am by Bijou
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
It was hardly unprovoked though. The US had halted exports to Japan ( I can't remember now exactly what). I think Japan was heavily dependant on US oil and gas though and the revocation of those things caused Japan to attack, in part anyway.
/shrug
/shrug
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