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#28 Sep 09 2008 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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And if Sarah Palin were a pro choice non creationist Democrat with the same record and Obama picked her as his VP, you and knoxy would also be talking about how inexperienced she was.


Translation: We know Obama is inexperienced, just like Palin.
That's a pretty big stretch, even for you. I know Damien rarely speaks in complete rational thoughts, but how you got that translation from that quote is beyond me.
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#29 Sep 09 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Translation: We know Obama is inexperienced, just like Palin.

Thing is I don't care about Palins experience. In fact I find it genuinely appealing that she's not an 'experienced' politician. What I do care about is her core beliefs.


But Obama is much more "experienced" than Palin. I mean, come on, Obama got a B.A. at Columbia, a law degree from Harvard where he was President of the Law Review, was a college professor of law, a state Senator (of a district with the same population as all of Alaska), and then a U.S. Senator, serving on many committees, including the Foreign Relations commitee.

Sarah Palin is an ex beauty queen and sports reporter with a journalism degree who then became mayor of a very small Alaskan town and then governor of Alaska.

You're seriously trying to call those two records even close to the same?

So if the positions were reversed, you would honestly say that an ex sports reporter from the University of Idaho who became mayor of a tiny town and then governor of Alaska for 18 months has a much better record than a Columbia and Harvard educated lawyer who became a State Senator and then US Senator who served on the Foreign Relations committee?

I know you said you don't care about Palin's experience, but conservatives constantly calling Obama inexperienced, and yet, YOUR man chose someone with way less experience, and that's supposed to make me feel good about his decision making?





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Edited, Sep 9th 2008 3:21pm by DaimenKain
#30 Sep 09 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Obama got a B.A. at Columbia, a law degree from Harvard
Only two colleges? Pffftt... Palin went to six universities in six years!!



(before finally getting her BA)
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#31 Sep 09 2008 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gov. Palin is a novelty act whose glamor will soon wear off.

She is like that new girl you are interested in. For the first month you are infatuated with her. Everything she does and says is right, and you just can't see how anyone can find fault with her.

Then, after spending a few months with her, reality starts to set in, and you begin to see them for who they truly are.

No longer is that smile of hers that of a sincere mother, it is a trite and patronizing smile of a politician. No longer is her accent adorable, it is kind of whiny and grinds into your head. No longer are her contradictory political positions tolerated, they are investigated and questioned fully. And, as many married couples will tell you, your sexual fantasies of her will just not be as intense and passionate as they once were.

Once her newness wears off I am confident she will be exposed as the typical quack-fraud politician that she is.




#34 Sep 09 2008 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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What has Obama accomplished as an attorney or Congressman?


If you were sincerely interested in this a simple web search would yield relevant results. Obama has been active on behalf of communites his whole life, beginning as a community organizer, continuing as a civil rights attorney and professor of Constitutional law (for 10 years), as an Illinois congressman and as a US Senator. He has accomplished quiet a bit in his short time in elected office (12 years now). In Illinois he worked on ethics and health care reform, tax credits for low income workers, childcare credits, welfare reform, predatory lending, racial profiling, and capital punishment. His major accomplishments in the US Senate include ethics reform, nuclear nonproliferation, increased transparancy and accountability http://www.usaspending.gov, and as a co-sponsor of many other bills.

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the best they could come up with was she didn't strap a seatbelt on her kid once


Palin has extremist/fringe views, but I think these are derived from the time/place she is in. She is a typical politician that will latch onto whatever is convenient at the time to advocate her political positions.

She was a member of the Alaskan seccesionist group (Alaska first- Alaska always) and Libertarian party, she believes that everything she wants to do politically is what God wants (if you voted for Kerry in 2004 you may be going to hell, just FYI), she was a member of a church that speaks in tongues and makes Jeremiah Wright seem tame(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html), her basic social propganda is predicated on family values yet her unmarried 17 year old daughter is pregnant and the blame somehow escapes her (what happened to blame the parents?), she uses public office as a means to execute personal vendettas and enrich her own small group, she lies on her stump speech so often that the media can't keep up with the fact checking (she was for the road to nowhere, didn't want to "stand in the way of progress," only against it when the money went dry and it became a national debacle)...and that is only scratching the surface after the first week.
#35 Sep 09 2008 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Which is one of the reasons the Dems sent 30 attorneys to her small alaskan town to dig up whatever dirt they can find on her, and the best they could come up with was she didn't strap a seatbelt on her kid once.


She believes with all her being that the world was created a coupla of thousand years ago in 6 days by her god.

If you need to find a reason to preclude her from any position of power at all, there it is.

The fact that she has admitted to that delusional fantasy with very little questioning from anyone, just goes to show how ****** up the public can be in a country that prides itself in its modernity.
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#37 Sep 09 2008 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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He's accomplished becoming the first black man to become the presidential nominee, thereby ensuring that all you extreme right-wing racist/ religeous spoondangling, window lickers ar'n't sleeping very well due to the fear that you might have to call a negro your CinC.

Thats gotta count for something, right?
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#39 Sep 09 2008 at 1:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ask anyone from Illinois about their tax rate then talk about all these wealth re-distribution programs.
That'd be Trickybeck, Twiz and myself. I'll only speak for myself and note that Obama has had little to do with most of the state's taxes. The major culprits are more local; county and city taxes on taxes or consumer purchases.

On a state level, the primary culprit is our idiot governor. May he be chased down and eaten by a herd of white-tailed deer.

Illinois state income tax, one aspect Obama would have a vote on, is a flat 3%. Which puts it squarely in the middle for rates throughout the nation.
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#41 Sep 09 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Remind me again which party Illinois leans toward?
Democratic. Which makes for an interesting system where we eat our young and the primary opposition to the Democratic governor is the Democratic House leader. The GOP in the state is completely diminished due to scandals and mismanagement and is largely aligned with select parts of the state Democratic party these days. Blagojevich didn't win re-election as governor because he's awesome, he won because the state GOP is so crippled that they couldn't field any credible candidates.

I don't feel any shame over the party thing. Everyone knows Blagojevich is a ****, party be damned. He's the very stereotype of the "tax and spend liberal", pressing in social programs and leaving local governments to figure out how to finance them. On the other hand, we have awesome state Democrats like Pat Quinn & Lisa Madigan, who -- god willing -- will be unlocking the Springfield mansion in a couple of years.
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#42 Sep 09 2008 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think I'm comfortable paying high taxes seeing as how I vote in favor of high taxes. I'm not a simpleton, however, so I can see how it might be confusing for someone who is.

At any rate, my taxes would go down under Obama's tax plan, which is fine for me. If I made 9x more money than I do now, my taxes would go up. I'd be fine with that too, as I'd consider it my fair share.


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Also agreeing that the Illinois Democratic governor has been awful, awful, awful. Really nothing useful done at all. And an example of wasteful spending was his insistence on making Chicago public transportation free to all elderly. Despite the fact that the public trans authority was woefully underfunded, and that seniors didn't really want or need the free ride.


#44 Sep 10 2008 at 3:32 AM Rating: Good
McCain camp walks into a carefully laid verbal trap:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/mccain-camp-says-lipstick-on-a-pig-is-trip-through-the-mud/

They cried sexism and demanded an apology when Obama used one of McCain's own pet phrases, "a pig in lipstick." It was a phrase he used as recently as last year to refer to Hillary's health care plan.

The Obama camp laughed and refused to apologize since they were talking about McCain's policies.

Yet, the McCain camp didn't also complain that Obama called their candidate a rotting fish wrapped in fresh paper which stinks after eight years, which means they see nothing wrong with the analogy.
#45 Sep 10 2008 at 5:12 AM Rating: Good
If I was the Democratic Gbaji, I'd say this:

Heh, can't you see that the *real* sexists here are the Republicans? As soon as someone mentions "pig", they automatically link it with a woman. Isn't that sexism? In fact, I'd go further and say that picking a woman as VP is really quite sexist since it implies that a woman can't actually be President. You see, when you choose a certain gender over another, you're discriminating against the former gender by not implicitly deciding to not actively choose the gender in question.

Now I don't know much about biology, but my guess would be that women are born men but then have their penins cut off at some point. I mean, think about it, it's just common sense. So if the Republicans are not really sexist, why not just surgically add a ***** to Palin? Could it be because they're sexist?

Yup, that's what the Conservative media want you to think!

Heh, folks... ;)
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#47 Sep 10 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tax and spend liberalism doesn't work on the state scene; what makes you think nationally would be any different?
Yeah, you missed my point. Try again Smiley: smile

Anyway, it looks as though McCain reached his high water mark. Yesterday's WSJ poll and this morning's Rasmussen both show Obama +1. All things being subject to change, it looks as though we're setlting back into the same scenario we were in just prior to the conventions.
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#49 Sep 10 2008 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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You didn't answer my question.
Because, if you had read my post with any dose of comprehension, you'd see why it was irrelevent. Ask questions worth my while.
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