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#1 Sep 06 2008 at 11:14 PM Rating: Default
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anyone remember that movie?
Remember the part where his campaign slogan was "none of the above"??
Lets just not vote for either of them. Now, i'm not saying vote for nader or something, but after listening to BOTH speeches RNC DNC, i'm not satisfied with either of them.

Obama says he is about change, but i have yet to hear him commit to anything that might actually work.
McCain is like an unholy fusion of bush and chaney, with combat experiance. (Plus i'm not totally unconvinced he's a "Manchurian Candidate" of the vietnamese.)

So, lets vote for something we all can agree on. Lets vote for "None of the Above"


As a side note, anyone else actually listen to mccain? he said he would have the govmn't pay the differance between the old salaries and the new salaries for the ex-workers of places like detroit. Also he mentioned cutting the 700 billion we spend on foreign aid, forgetting the fact that we CANT because the aid is part of treaties and such for letting us build military bases / helping share intelligance.
#2 Sep 06 2008 at 11:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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On the basis that you've just excluded yourself from the democratic process, why do you care?
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#3REDACTED, Posted: Sep 07 2008 at 12:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually the choice not to vote is part of the democratic process if you don't like either person and don't want to tip the scales the solution would be not to vote.
#4 Sep 07 2008 at 8:55 AM Rating: Default
Demonye wrote:
anyone remember that movie?
Remember the part where his campaign slogan was "none of the above"??
Lets just not vote for either of them. Now, i'm not saying vote for nader or something, but after listening to BOTH speeches RNC DNC, i'm not satisfied with either of them.

Obama says he is about change, but i have yet to hear him commit to anything that might actually work.
McCain is like an unholy fusion of bush and chaney, with combat experiance. (Plus i'm not totally unconvinced he's a "Manchurian Candidate" of the vietnamese.)

So, lets vote for something we all can agree on. Lets vote for "None of the Above"


As a side note, anyone else actually listen to mccain? he said he would have the govmn't pay the differance between the old salaries and the new salaries for the ex-workers of places like detroit. Also he mentioned cutting the 700 billion we spend on foreign aid, forgetting the fact that we CANT because the aid is part of treaties and such for letting us build military bases / helping share intelligance.


It would never work. I can where you're going with this, but if you're going to be a realist, people are going to choose either the Republican or Democratic candidate, so you might as well vote for one of them, since they have a 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999etc chance of winning.

The same thing as what you're saying could probably be said for people who live in states where the outcome is 99.9999andsoforth guaranteed. For example, a person who lives in Arizona and votes for Obama or lives in my state, Massachusetts, and votes for McCain.
#5 Sep 07 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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#6 Sep 07 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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I vote you GFY. All in favor, say 'Aye'.
#7 Sep 07 2008 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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I vote Aye.
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#8 Sep 07 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
Aye.

Personally, I'll vote for the guy that has actually read the Constitution.
#9 Sep 07 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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hay so i saw this south park episode were they had to pick between a giant douche and a **** sandwich and it turned out better to not vote at all



#10 Sep 07 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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trickybeck wrote:

hay so i saw this south park episode were they had to pick between a giant douche and a **** sandwich and it turned out better to not vote at all

This thoroughly illustrates my own stance. I choose not to participate in what I believe is a thoroughly corrupt system.
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#11 Sep 07 2008 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
trickybeck wrote:

hay so i saw this south park episode were they had to pick between a giant douche and a **** sandwich and it turned out better to not vote at all

This thoroughly illustrates my own stance. I choose not to participate in what I believe is a thoroughly corrupt system.


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#12 Sep 07 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
GFY for sullying the name of that wonderful movie.

Richard Pryor would set you on fire with flaming smack for this.
(While wearing his spider-man PJs from The Toy, of course)
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#13 Sep 07 2008 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Debalic wrote:
This thoroughly illustrates my own stance. I choose not to participate in what I believe is a thoroughly corrupt system.

If you are too lazy to vote then that is fine, but don't insult the intelligence of everyone around you and yourself by pretending it has anything to do with a moral objection. Only fools believe passive choices are equivalent to "washing their hands." Having the ability to affect an outcome and choosing not to is equivalent to making an active choice.
#14REDACTED, Posted: Sep 08 2008 at 4:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You win this thread.
#15 Sep 08 2008 at 4:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Demonye wrote:
Obama says he is about change, but i have yet to hear him commit to anything that might actually work.


Ah, the battle cry of those who are incapable of change.

2 things about ideas for change:
-You have to give them a chance before you can say it won't work.
-Just because someone else tried it and it failed, doesn't mean it will this time as they likely implemented it incorrectly (assuming it hasn't been tried multiple times)
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#16 Sep 08 2008 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
Debalic wrote:
This thoroughly illustrates my own stance. I choose not to participate in what I believe is a thoroughly corrupt system.

If you are too lazy to vote then that is fine, but don't insult the intelligence of everyone around you and yourself by pretending it has anything to do with a moral objection. Only fools believe passive choices are equivalent to "washing their hands." Having the ability to affect an outcome and choosing not to is equivalent to making an active choice.


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I am genuinely saddened by this news. I'm not sure how I'm going to make it through each day now. ****, I don't know how I'm going to make it through the next hour!
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#19 Sep 08 2008 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
Debalic wrote:
This thoroughly illustrates my own stance. I choose not to participate in what I believe is a thoroughly corrupt system.

If you are too lazy to vote then that is fine, but don't insult the intelligence of everyone around you and yourself by pretending it has anything to do with a moral objection. Only fools believe passive choices are equivalent to "washing their hands." Having the ability to affect an outcome and choosing not to is equivalent to making an active choice.

Yeah, you know, you're right, I really should make my voice heard in this dog-and-pony show. It is my civic duty to man up and vote just for the sake of voting, isn't it? Even if I am too lazy to look into the candidates I'll just heed the advice of TV commercials and lawn placards to herd me in the right direction like most of the other voting sheeple.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#20 Sep 08 2008 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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This is what happen when dumb people post.


Wanna see what happens when dumb people vote?
#21 Sep 08 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Wanna see what happens when dumb people vote?


We've seen it. Twice in a row.
#22 Sep 08 2008 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
Demonye wrote:

Obama says he is about change, but i have yet to hear him commit to anything that might actually work.


Health care, tax policy and the wars. You have now heard of them.

Go find out about them. There are dramatic differences between candidates.

For the record, I disagree with both on all counts, but Obama has my vote because he will put in place the closest policies to my own that are possible under the circumstances. Of course Obama may not get what he wants - it depends on congress.

By the way, historically, the US does not spend close to US$700 billion per year on foreign aide. Perhaps now we do, but the vast majority of that must be going to Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you really feel both are totally incompatible with your point of view, register to vote and vote for the third party candidate closest to your point of view.

If enough people vote in that way, one or both major parties will move toward that group.
#23 Sep 08 2008 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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yossarian wrote:
If you really feel both are totally incompatible with your point of view, register to vote and vote for the third party candidate closest to your point of view.

If enough people vote in that way, one or both major parties will move toward that group.

The fringe lunatic millionaires? Yeah, I did briefly consider Perot.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#24 Sep 08 2008 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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yossarian wrote:
If you really feel both are totally incompatible with your point of view, register to vote and vote for the third party candidate closest to your point of view.

If enough people vote in that way, one or both major parties will move toward that group.

The fringe lunatic millionaires? Yeah, I did briefly consider Perot.


Odd you should mention Perot.

I vote for Perot: the national debt is very important to me. In 1992 I was unsure about socialized medicine, so the relative benefit of Clinton over HW Bush was uncear. Now I am certain the only realistic way to decrease the debt is to go to a vastly cheaper system of medicine for the US. The only available system widely used in first world nations, basically the only system other then our own, fits the bill.

Lots of people voted Perot and the deficits were reduced under Clinton. Perot doesn't run in 2000 (perhaps if he did no one would vote for him, I don't know) and the size of the debt has been a non-issue ever since.

Borrowing at the rate of about US$1000 per person per year is insane. It is effectively the biggest tax increase in history, but hasn't occurred yet. It is also by far the greatest threat to US national security. Terrorism is a tactic used since biblical times and has overthrown basically no sizable government ever. As such it is impossible to eliminate and not a serious threat. Excessive debt, on the other hand is the opposite, in both cases.

Bush "W" will go down in history as horrific for many, many reasons, but principle among them will be the size of the deficits he ran.
#25 Sep 08 2008 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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yossarian wrote:
Now I am certain the only realistic way to decrease the debt is to go to a vastly cheaper system of medicine for the US.
You mean a UK or French system where all necessary healthcare is stae funded and free to citizens?

Sure, it costs less to the state/taxpayer than the US system, but would wipe out the Healthcare profits and jobs created by your megalithic health corporations.

Lose/lose Smiley: lol
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#26 Sep 08 2008 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Now I am certain the only realistic way to decrease the debt is to go to a vastly cheaper system of medicine for the US.
You mean a UK or French system where all necessary healthcare is stae funded and free to citizens?

Sure, it costs less to the state/taxpayer than the US system, but would wipe out the Healthcare profits and jobs created by your megalithic health corporations.

Lose/lose Smiley: lol


There would definitely be an economic hit, however in the long run it will be impossible for US companies to compete against foreign companies due to high health care costs. Health care is a huge fraction of the economy, and the savings in going to a state system are potentially huge. The US auto industry is a prime example.

Further, it is the best thing for small businesses: right now the vast majority of employees will not switch to a company which may not offer health care for months to years and dealing with health care providers is virtually a full time job.

To me, it would be immoral to start a business hire people and not offer them health care.
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