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#127 Sep 04 2008 at 6:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not that this addresses Palin, yet anyway, but FactCheck is starting to catch up on the convention speeches: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin.html

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#128 Sep 04 2008 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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I will be truly curious to see how much of a bump McCain will get after the convention is over (if any bump will happen).

I thought that Obama would have got more of a bump after his convention was over. IIRC, he got what, an 8 point bump in the polls with a 5 point margin of error?


If McCain isn't ahead by 15 by Monday, he's lost the election.


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#130 Sep 04 2008 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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IIRC, he got what, an 8 point bump in the polls with a 5 point margin of error?
The major daily trackers, Rasmussen & Gallup, have a 2 pt MOE. Both poll around 3,000 people which is the practical point of return for accuracy.

I don't recall where he was on each daily right before the convention but 8 points sounds about right. A little over the average (5pt per Gallup) but not near the 15pts the GOP was claiming he'd have to bounce for it to count (Smiley: rolleyes)
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#131 Sep 04 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Default
really, the only good thing to come out of the repubs convention so far is lieberman finally coming out of the dem closet to show his true colors. he will be out of the caucus long before the election after not only bashing obama, but lieing about him in the process.

and whatever the bump in polls the repubs get from this convention, barring mccain really coming through with some serious policie decisions on....SOMETHING....besides drilling for more oil, will be very short lived once the fact checkers get through with their speaches.

i hear the repubs saying she IS middle class when asked why no mention about the middle class. that might win the instant criticizem, but give it a week and people will be saying, so yea, she IS middle class, so what is she going to DO for them?

the entire repub convention, dare i say their entire campaign isnt about issues. its about bashing obama. i think once the repub convention is over, people are going to start asking why none of the repubs brought up ANY issues other than obama.

and i laugh at the notion that hillary supporters were all about gender and not about issues. i laugh even harder at the notion that paulin could in any way hold a candle to her, much less garner anywhere near as much support.

as far as familey values, it was edwards who lost big by trying to drag his cancer stricken wife through an election campaign. long before the whole cheating issue. we saw it as selfish and very uncaring of her needs.

it wont be long before paulin is viewed in the same light. a working class husband that can no longer work. a special needs child she WILL NOT be there for. and dragging a daughter through a national lime light with an unplanned pregnancy, basically branding her with a scarlet letter before the entire country, the entire world infact.

familey values? hope she has more to support her than that. right now people are thrilled with her. the enfatuatuin WILL wear off and people WILL start asking questions. hard ones.

Edited, Sep 4th 2008 11:25am by shadowrelm
#132 Sep 04 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Default
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Oh and word is the tele-prompter started messing up in the middle of Palins speech and she finished the speech mostly from memory.






Edited, Sep 4th 2008 10:51am by knoxsouthy


Reliable source there.

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Oh and word is the tele-prompter started messing up in the middle of Palins speech and she finished the speech mostly from memory.
There's varying accounts of teleprompter issues ranging from "it worked fine" to "it didn't pause for applause lines" to "it was all dorked up".

Even if it failed to sync, she wouldn't have been doing the speech "from memory" since she'd see what she was going to say on the 'prompter and had a hard copy of the speech with her (according to most sources).

Edited, Sep 4th 2008 1:50pm by Jophiel
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#134 Sep 04 2008 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Even if it failed to sync, she wouldn't have been doing the speech "from memory" since she'd see what she was going to say on the 'prompter and had a hard copy of the speech with her


Don't worry, that was broken, too!


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palin-overcame-teleprompter-problems-missing-hard-copies/

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Foremost of the obstacles, Palin’s teleprompter was not working properly. When she took the podium, the machine rolled so quickly, it often skipped the first line or two of every paragraph on screen. The operator said he had new equipment and wasn’t sure how it would work.

However, Palin also went on stage with a slightly outdated hard copy of her speech. For various unexplained reasons, she and her closest advisers had an old draft on hand, and even had a hard time furnishing one of those for her to use. Several of the drafts were scribbled on, so one aide gave Palin a wrinkled, folded copy out of his pocket.

Officials said Palin responded in mom-like fashion, concluding, “Well, I suppose I could put a book on it and smooth it out a little.


What a trooper! And Obama thinks HE had to overcome adversity. Incidentally, I was watching the CSPAN feed, saw the teleprompter occasionally, completely fine every time. Fine for every other speaker, it's just amazing that on this one speech it got all glitchy. What good fortune she was so quick on her feet and intellectually nimble that she managed to continue! It should be no problem, I assume, for her to give press conferences because of her ability.

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Incidentally, I was watching the CSPAN feed, saw the teleprompter occasionally, completely fine every time.
I saw it now and then on CNN (in shots from the back of the stage) and it looked fine to me as well but I was in and out of the room so I can't say for sure. Anyway, Fox's account seems a bit exaggerated against the other accounts.

I wouldn't call the teleprompter being two lines ahead "giving the speech from memory". For that matter, I wouldn't be too amazed if she had given it from memory since she probably spent the last 48+ hours on the thing.
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#136 Sep 04 2008 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Short term memory is still memory. Folks. Heh.

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#137 Sep 04 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I have to say, one thing that crossed my mind was wondering why the mother of a special needs infant would want to take on this job.



Perhaps after 8 years of Bush the Republicans want to keep a ****** in the white house....
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Did you notice how when her speech was concluding they had captions at the bottom of the screen stating Mcains history with cancer?
No but, as I said, I was wandering in and out.
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#142 Sep 04 2008 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Just a quick aside:

Please, please use spell check shadowrelm.
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#144 Sep 04 2008 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Spelling your candidate's name shouldn't be too complicated, either.

McCain. Not Mcain.

I know the response. "I'll have 8 years to learn to spell it correctly, har har."




Edited, Sep 4th 2008 3:15pm by trickybeck
#145 Sep 04 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:

Spelling your candidate's name shouldn't be too complicated, either.

McCain. Not Mcain.

I know the response. "I'll have 8 years to learn to spell it correctly, har har."




Edited, Sep 4th 2008 3:15pm by trickybeck


McCain!

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#146 Sep 04 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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I saw it.

I also saw Fox news about 7 hours after the speech and they were showing re-runs of it and Brit Hume was still wetting himself over her.

He must have *** in his rubber inco-pants at least 20 times.

Faux News! Fair and balanced!

I actually thought she did well in delivering the speech (apart from speaking out of her nose in mono-tone the whole time), but like others, I mostly heard the "the world is full of our enemies, and only McCain can save you from them".

That will probably go down very well with the xenophobic paranoids who feel that the need to hide behind be protected by a septugenarian and a mother of five, who believes that a bearded bloke in the sky created the world in 6 days a couple of thousand yeras ago.

And someone above said she reminded them of a character in a disney movie.....Very astuste observation.
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#148 Sep 04 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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So you missed the whole part where she spoke about her accomplishments as governor with the creation of a natural gas pipeline?


To be fair, he may have blinked. "Accomplishments" Hahahahahaha. ****, that's funny.
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So you missed the whole part where she spoke about her accomplishments as governor with the creation of a natural gas pipeline?
I caught the part where she baldly lied about the Bridge to Nowhere. Does that count?
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So you missed the whole part where she spoke about her accomplishments as governor with the creation of a natural gas pipeline?

Face it; you heard what you wanted to hear.


iirc, she talked about that in the context of becoming less reliant on oil supplies from unfriendly foreigners (brown folk) who are hell bent on destroying Americas lead in the junior hockey leauge.....or something.

I must confess to being somewhat fascinated by her youngest daughters attempts to flatten the babies hair using spit, and then later on, picking its nose.

Compelling stuff!
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