Hoo-boy, Ann Richards, as good of a speech giver as she was, was a lightning rod for her persona. I liked listening to her. Sometimes I wish there was a rule only the mean old Doles and Ann Richards, Slick Clinton, Llyod Bensons, Ron Reagans and Huckabees were the only ones allowed to give public speeches.
All the Gores, GHWBs, and Dukakis' would be locked in a room till the election was over.
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I'm pretty sure I just watched applause for 65 of the past 75 minutes.
Iowa's own ******** Steve King was just quoted saying he can't wait to invite Palin to Iowa to go pheasant hunting. I hope she shows, and fulfills her duty as VP and offers him some buckshot to the face. Or him to hers. I'm sure all of the botox will act as a protective barrier, though.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:24pm by Guenny
Iowa's own ******** Steve King was just quoted saying he can't wait to invite Palin to Iowa to go pheasant hunting. I hope she shows, and fulfills her duty as VP and offers him some buckshot to the face. Or him to hers. I'm sure all of the botox will act as a protective barrier, though.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:24pm by Guenny
Well, I watched Palin. Maybe in some alternate universe she didn't suck ***, but it's not the one I inhabit, for sure.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:26pm by Atomicflea
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:26pm by Atomicflea
Atomicflea wrote:
Well, I watched Palin. Maybe in some alternate universe she didn't suck ***, but it's not the one I inhabit, for sure.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:26pm by Atomicflea
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:26pm by Atomicflea
DaimenKain wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Well, I watched Palin. Maybe in some alternate universe she didn't suck ***, but it's not the one I inhabit, for sure.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:32pm by Atomicflea
I called my bellweather mom just to see what she thought.
So on and so forth. She also said that my sister (who is pretty much a Republican) also won't vote for her.
My mom wrote:
I didn't know who I was going to vote for and was thinking I'd vote for McCain because of some stuff I heard about Obama and everything going on in the world but there's no way in hell I'd vote for McCain and risk that woman becoming my president. She's like watching Rachael Ray. I respect what she's done and her family has been through hell and back these last forty-eight hours and I'm sure she's a great woman but I just don't want to risk having her as my president. You know what she reminds me of? Some made for TV Disney movie where the PTA mom becomes president. Can you imagine her having to deal with Putin or Korea or something? McCain took her because she's a woman and thinks we'll just vote for a woman but I won't vote for any woman. Why didn't he pick someone like Condi Rice who I could at least trust to know about the world?...
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Atomicflea wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Well, I watched Palin. Maybe in some alternate universe she didn't suck ***, but it's not the one I inhabit, for sure.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 10:32pm by Atomicflea
Huh? What's your problem. Omg, I quoted you without saying "QFT" or something; are you really gonna get your panties in a bunch about this?
Sorry for thinking you gave a succinct response, I'll make sure it never happens again.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 11:41pm by DaimenKain
Oh ****, Flea, now you've called down upon yourself the wrath of the ankle biting no-accounts. Incoming rate downs, heheh.
Some people don't seem to understand what the Asylum is all about here, chica.
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DaimenKain wrote:
are you really gonna get your panties in a bunch about this?
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I'll make sure it never happens again.
Hey Totes. How's that vag you grew while I was gone?
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Oh ****, Flea, now you've called down upon yourself the wrath of the ankle biting no-accounts. Incoming rate downs, heheh.
Some people don't seem to understand what the Asylum is all about here, chica.
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You're still too stupid to realize I can't rate people down?
And guess what? It doesn't keep me up at night; I'm sure you would be depressed as **** if you lost the all-important Sage.
Atomicflea wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Well, I watched Palin. Maybe in some alternate universe she didn't suck ***, but it's not the one I inhabit, for sure.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
Wolf Blitzer said "a star is born" and Anderson Cooper called her "a force to be reckoned with." I didn't see it.
He doesn't have one, near as I can tell.
He is good at replying approximately 35 times to every single thread.
"How's that vag...?" --Flea
Itchy. Need some of that douch-y stuff to assuage that smelly yellowish curd that keeps oozing out. Oh, nevermind, that's just Dame's ego being crushed between my mighty and creamy thighs.
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Itchy. Need some of that douch-y stuff to assuage that smelly yellowish curd that keeps oozing out. Oh, nevermind, that's just Dame's ego being crushed between my mighty and creamy thighs.
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After watching this for a couple days, the Republican strategy is pretty clear. They know full well that they can't win on any actual issues. Very little policy has been talked about by any of the speakers. It is all a single issue. The world is a scary place and who would you rather have out there protecting you from it, a genuine war hero or some scary black guy. This whole convention is like a cult. The focus is entirely upon the personality of McCain.
Given that approach, Palin is a brilliant choice. They are going to send her to every small town and suburb out there -- probably lugging her family with her -- to talk to the moms and say I am just like you so you can trust me when I tell you that only John McCain can keep you safe. And sadly it may well work. I will bet that she never is allowed to get in any situation where she is asked unscripted questions. They will limit her appearances to print where her responses can be written by others or to friendly journalists who they can rely upon to not ask any tough questions. I suspect everything she says and done will be scripted from here to the election.
Of course I am a Democrat and a Philadelphia sports fan, so I am used to being crushed and disappointed, but I think -- assuming that there is no other hidden zinger out there on her -- that Palin may well be the first VP choice in history to make a significant difference in an election. She has galvanized the Republican base who just couldn't get excited about McCain and will swing enough suburban soccor moms to vote against their interest just because she asks them to to make a difference.
On a totally different note, as a hockey fan, I can at least hope the "hockey mom" stuff helps pump up the popularity of the NHL. Though if that means I have to start sharing my seats at the Flyers games with a bunch of fundamentalist former Nascar fans, I'm going to be really pissed.
Given that approach, Palin is a brilliant choice. They are going to send her to every small town and suburb out there -- probably lugging her family with her -- to talk to the moms and say I am just like you so you can trust me when I tell you that only John McCain can keep you safe. And sadly it may well work. I will bet that she never is allowed to get in any situation where she is asked unscripted questions. They will limit her appearances to print where her responses can be written by others or to friendly journalists who they can rely upon to not ask any tough questions. I suspect everything she says and done will be scripted from here to the election.
Of course I am a Democrat and a Philadelphia sports fan, so I am used to being crushed and disappointed, but I think -- assuming that there is no other hidden zinger out there on her -- that Palin may well be the first VP choice in history to make a significant difference in an election. She has galvanized the Republican base who just couldn't get excited about McCain and will swing enough suburban soccor moms to vote against their interest just because she asks them to to make a difference.
On a totally different note, as a hockey fan, I can at least hope the "hockey mom" stuff helps pump up the popularity of the NHL. Though if that means I have to start sharing my seats at the Flyers games with a bunch of fundamentalist former Nascar fans, I'm going to be really pissed.
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Palin may well be the first VP choice in history to make a significant difference in an election.
Nah. Nine weeks is a long time, and the press is a harsh mistress. She'll be a hero for a week. The GOP base is too small to win this election. Opposition research is already swimming in stuff about her, just waiting for the right time in the news cycle to leak it. The narrative of the sudden rise and fall in politics is a juicy one.
It's good short term for the GOP, long term it's not likely to win them Ohio or PA. Without both, they lose.
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Evil is overcome by airlifting out of Saigon while your translator's shot in the face, it seems.
That made me laugh out loud.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Nah. Nine weeks is a long time, and the press is a harsh mistress. She'll be a hero for a week. The GOP base is too small to win this election. Opposition research is already swimming in stuff about her, just waiting for the right time in the news cycle to leak it. The narrative of the sudden rise and fall in politics is a juicy one.
I agree that the Palin choice could blow up if something really juicy comes out. However, the things that have come out so far, as much as they make me personally think she is a scary choice for VP (which by the way I don't necessarily think about McCain for President), are not things I see swaying the types of votors they are hoping to appeal to.
I live in PA and I grew up in a smaller town than even Palin did. My High School closed down for the first day of deer season every year. I know these people. Just like their husbands voted for Bush because he was someone they could have a beer with (and will vote for McCain because he hates the Ruskies and is a real (white) man), the women, who had been secretly voting Democrat over the years, will now vote for Palin because she is just like them. The fact that her daughter is pregnant actually adds to her appeal.
I agree that the Palin choice could blow up if something really juicy comes out. However, the things that have come out so far, as much as they make me personally think she is a scary choice for VP (which by the way I don't necessarily think about McCain for President), are not things I see swaying the types of votors they are hoping to appeal to.
I live in PA and I grew up in a smaller town than even Palin did. My High School closed down for the first day of deer season every year. I know these people. Just like their husbands voted for Bush because he was someone they could have a beer with (and will vote for McCain because he hates the Ruskies and is a real (white) man), the women, who had been secretly voting Democrat over the years, will now vote for Palin because she is just like them. The fact that her daughter is pregnant actually adds to her appeal.
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A poor choice of photo on CNN.com, I'd say.
http://www.cnn.com/?eref=rss_topstories
ETA: Bah, knew they'd change it. It looked like she was giving the **** salute.
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 5:11am by Tare
http://www.cnn.com/?eref=rss_topstories
ETA: Bah, knew they'd change it. It looked like she was giving the **** salute.
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 5:11am by Tare
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
palins speach:
obamas a bad bad man.
iraq is a good thing.
the end.
healthcare? social security? energy? economy? afganistan? iran?
ZERO. the repubs have absolutly NOTHING to sell but fear. fear of obama. fear of iraq in the hands of the dems. ZERO answers. ZERO intentions. just fear. what they are doing is clear. tyring to muddy the waters amoung the independants and some dems about obama.
personally, i think people are past the fear. we have lived with it for almost 8 years now. pesonally i think people want answers not another box of fear. unfortunatly, thats all the repubs have to sell. if mccain doesnt deliver some ANSWERS as to why we should vote for him tonight other than a box of fears if we dont.......he neednt bother showing up for the election.
what the hell, it worked to sell a country on a war with a soverign nation that didnt need to happen. it worked to sell the country on electing a c average idiot to the white house.
the choice is clear. obama or mccain = hope or fear.
pick one. see ya at the polls.
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 9:17am by shadowrelm
obamas a bad bad man.
iraq is a good thing.
the end.
healthcare? social security? energy? economy? afganistan? iran?
ZERO. the repubs have absolutly NOTHING to sell but fear. fear of obama. fear of iraq in the hands of the dems. ZERO answers. ZERO intentions. just fear. what they are doing is clear. tyring to muddy the waters amoung the independants and some dems about obama.
personally, i think people are past the fear. we have lived with it for almost 8 years now. pesonally i think people want answers not another box of fear. unfortunatly, thats all the repubs have to sell. if mccain doesnt deliver some ANSWERS as to why we should vote for him tonight other than a box of fears if we dont.......he neednt bother showing up for the election.
what the hell, it worked to sell a country on a war with a soverign nation that didnt need to happen. it worked to sell the country on electing a c average idiot to the white house.
the choice is clear. obama or mccain = hope or fear.
pick one. see ya at the polls.
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 9:17am by shadowrelm
Tare wrote:
A poor choice of photo on CNN.com, I'd say.
http://www.cnn.com/?eref=rss_topstories
ETA: Bah, knew they'd change it. It looked like she was giving the **** salute.
http://www.cnn.com/?eref=rss_topstories
ETA: Bah, knew they'd change it. It looked like she was giving the **** salute.
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 8:37am by Xsarus
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the women, who had been secretly voting Democrat over the years, will now vote for Palin because she is just like them. The fact that her daughter is pregnant actually adds to her appeal.
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Due respect, I think you're overreacting to one speech, and vastly underestimating the problem these same women are going to have with moving one's family, including an infant with Down's Syndrome out of their home to campaign in front of cameras for nine weeks.
Dragging her new baby around seriously hurts her with the voters you speak of who wished they could have taken more time off work to be with their children when they were infants.
As I said, she'll be beatified for a week or so, then the cataloging of her batsh*t insaneness and mistakes in Alaska will start, and the "it's sexism to speak ill of this woman!!" thing will wear thing pretty quickly, creating a backlash among women.
Come back in off the ledge, her primary appeal is newness and novelty. That just doesn't last long enough to seriously impact the election.
ETA: Nate over 538 feels similarly:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
I think some of you are underestimating the percentage of voters for whom Sarah Palin lacks the standing to make this critique of Barack Obama. To many voters, she is either entirely unknown, or is known as an US Weekly caricature of a woman who eats mooseburgers and has a pregnant daughter. To change someone's opinion, you have to do one of two things. Either, you have to be a trusted voice of authority, or you have to persuade them. Palin is not a trusted voice of authority -- she's much too new. But neither was this a persuasive speech. It was staccato, insistent, a little corny. It preached to the proverbial choir. It was also, as one of my commentors astutely noted, a speech written by a man and for a man, but delivered by a woman, which produces a certain amount of cognitive dissonance.
In exceedingly plain English, I think there's a pretty big who the **** does she think she is? factor. And not just among us Daily Kos reading, merlot-drinking liberals. I think Palin's speech will be instinctively unappealing to other whole demographics of voters, including particuarly working-class men (among whom there may be a misogyny factor) and professional post-menopausal women.
Hivemind must have informed him of it.
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 10:07am by Smasharoo
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I have to say, one thing that crossed my mind was wondering why the mother of a special needs infant would want to take on this job.
It's a dicey issue, because of course we want everything all the time, and juggling family and career is ridiculously hard. But this family and that job? Even with the nannies and the other hired help, I don't see this as either good mothering or good politics.
It's a dicey issue, because of course we want everything all the time, and juggling family and career is ridiculously hard. But this family and that job? Even with the nannies and the other hired help, I don't see this as either good mothering or good politics.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
You people are fooling yourself if you think Hillarys supporters are going to vote for Obama. And without that base they are toast. Those of you that know the Clintons understand this.
More Hillary primary voters than ever are moving for Obama. This wasn't the reason, at all, for the Palin selection. The reason was to try to win a close polarizing election by turning out the base. Believe it or not, most people who supported Clinton aren't really a vast brainwashed army who telepathically accept cynical Machiavellian commands to vote for someone they hate.
Hell, though, when have you ever been wrong about her before?
Oh yeah: always.
Hahahahahahahaha. Sucker.
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I will be truly curious to see how much of a bump McCain will get after the convention is over (if any bump will happen).
I thought that Obama would have got more of a bump after his convention was over. IIRC, he got what, an 8 point bump in the polls with a 5 point margin of error?
I thought that Obama would have got more of a bump after his convention was over. IIRC, he got what, an 8 point bump in the polls with a 5 point margin of error?
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