Obama up in the pollsFollow

Gallup reports that Obama is up 5 points among independent women since Palin was announced.

As a bellweather, I was speaking to my mother today (not a very avid follower of politics and a social moderate/fiscal conservative) who said "I don't know why you'd donate to Obama anyway; McCain gave up the election when he picked that Palin woman. I don't know what he was thinking..."

My ancedote is firm evidence and don't you forget it.

Care to cherry pick that a bit more? McCain is up more overall among women as a result of the choice.

Hahahahahahahahaha, what a fucking sucker you are. Haven't we talked about what you *assume* to be true, and how that works out for you?

No serious replies?

Yeah, no. Try the OOT. They're far more likely to respond to ignorant fucking clowns who create boring trolling socks. It was funny in 2004, now it's just boring.

Good luck.

Er? Within the entire category of "women", as clearly indicated in the pretty bar graph on the page you just linked, McCain went from 46% to 48%. That's a... wait for it... gain of two percentage points.

You're looking too closely at one group or the other and missing the whole. McCain is up more overall among women over the last week after accounting for gains among one group and losses among another. At the end of the day, it's the total amount that matters Joph. Hence my comment about cherry picking.

OMG!! Don't let Kaolian find out!!

As you have now pointed out, it's silly enough that the entire context is only white non-hispanic women, but that apparently wasn't a small enough sample for you, so you focused on just one demographic within that group and used it as support for some kind of "Palin didn't really help McCain at all!" argument.

He's gained -6% in the polls since her announcement. That's HUGE! I heard if she can parley that up to -65%, he wins by like 15! That's the plan right? Only thing that makes an ounce of sense.

Soros is the prime contributor to organizations like the Center for American Progress and moveon.org, as well as one of many major contributors to the Democracy Alliance, which in turn funds numerous other media outlets, with the proper liberal lean of course.

Where do you think the whole "Palin got her ex brother in law fired" story came from (Center for American Progress in case you're wondering)? While I'm not sure where specifically the other attacks were ultimately from, it's a reasonable guess that Soros, or someone in the same set of organizations he's involved in did so. Or do you not find it interesting that so much negative stuff appeared so quickly on Palin?

The frontline news organizations just don't do their own research that quickly. Maybe in a few weeks we might have heard various bits appear. But to have about 4 distinct attacks against Palin come up so quickly? Remember. The announcement came just las Friday. The first attacks were appearing in the blogosphere within hours, and the mainstream media was covering them within a day or two.


That doesn't happen without organizations like that feeding the stories to the media. Not that fast. Not on a weekend. The fact that Joph an Smash are parroting a list of negatives against someone they'd likely never heard of until just last week should be a huge indicator. Someone spent the time and money gathering dirt on her well ahead of time, just in case she might be the pick. You can be certain that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc didn't do that on their own.


I don't need a site to tell me that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

No all they had too do is take a look at the Alaskan Bloggers to read up on all the rumors that been mention over the last 9 years.

Um... They don't though. There are really about 5 different sources that all the mainstream media use to get their stories. How you get the mainstream media to cover something that's on a blog somewhere is to get one of your writers to write a story about said blog and dump it into the stream. That's where groups like the ones that Soro's funds come in. They have staff who investigate what they want to write, then plant those via writers at a number of small news outlets around the country. Those stories are then dumped on the wire services where the mainstream media will pick them up. Perhaps with a phone call to a particularly liberal ear and a suggestion to "check out this wire story from BFEville".


Um... And that's in the cases where they don't simply write the blog themselves, then get someone to write a story about the blog, then dump that on the wire. If you spend enough money, you can get the media to print any allegation you want the public to hear. Half truths sell great if you do it right...


You're talking about a media manipulation machine unlike anything we've seen before. Soros himself is estimated to have personally spent upwards of 400 million dollars a year doing this sort of thing in past years (thats a international total, since he doesn't restrict his actions to just the US). We live in an information age. The ability to dump pretty much any story you want into millions of living rooms basically at will costs a lot, but gives you enormous ability to manipulate the masses.


Wild guess? Sure. But not likely to be far off. There's just no way that the mainstream media went out and investigated those stories between Friday and Monday, while there's a hurricane going on. Does anyone actually think these attacks just occurred as a result of normal journalistic research? Thats pretty naive...